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re: Tampering is going to get worse and worse

Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:20 pm to
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5998 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:20 pm to
It’s the same thing when rooting for any NFL team. They are paid to be
Jets, etc. For some reason we have this incorrigible desire to be represented by people as if they represent our organization or particular geographic locale. We will gladly accept rented mules as our own as long as we can put on the T-shirt or cap and strut around.
Posted by dominantD
Member since Sep 2017
311 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:30 pm to
I can only speak (and think) for myself. And for me, it’s just not fun anymore. Done with spending time and $$$ on it. As I have posted repeatedly, I expect to have more and more company as time goes by.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
9036 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:41 pm to
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People will still watch. The cheapest tickets to the NCG Monday night are nearly $2,000.



Two programs with some natty blue balls. I guess this new system may let a few rust belt plodder schools to buy a natty or two before everyone loses interest because the NFL is a better sport for watching highly paid mercenaries.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
3845 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 8:43 pm to
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Done with spending time


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As I have posted repeatedly


Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
4892 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:57 am to
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dominantD


So you've watched more NFL this season because you don't like players getting paid??
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4914 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:29 am to
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I guess this new system may let a few rust belt plodder schools to buy a natty or two

If a program pays a coach a record salary (like Saban in 2007) to use his reputation to recruit elite players that otherwise would have gone somewhere else, is that not (in a way) buying a championship?
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
1440 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:31 am to
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If a program pays a coach a record salary (like Saban in 2007) to use his reputation to recruit elite players that otherwise would have gone somewhere else, is that not (in a way) buying a championship?


This is, perhaps, the stupidest false equivalency I have ever seen on here.

Do you really not understand the difference between an employee and a student athlete on a scholarship.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17909 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:41 am to
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Do you really not understand the difference between an employee and a student athlete on a scholarship.


That line gets blurred when you're using those student athletes to generate billions while you stupidly attempt to convince them that their scholarship is adequate compensation... all the while the coaches, AD, department and all other sports are benefiting financially from that return.

That stupid greed is what led to this cataclysm.

So blame every moron who cheered and supported the idea that scholarships were enough and railed against the idea of controlled incentives all these years.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4914 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:48 am to
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Do you really not understand the difference between an employee and a student athlete on a scholarship.

You wouldn’t have that employee or the student-athletes without spending more money than at least most of your competition.

Money has been at the forefront of winning for a long time with the biggest variable being landing the right coach at the right time.
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
2024 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:56 am to
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The NFL rakes in cash with a unionized labor pool. The problem, in my estimation, is the lack of a union and the existence of a nearly unfettered free market for player talent. The players being able to go wherever they want for whoever will pay the most whenever they want is simply free markets at work.


I don't disagree but quit disguising it in the name of "student athletes". Have the NFL pick up the tab for room, board, medical, insurance etc...

I'd be fine if it went back to true "intramural" like it started.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
9036 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:09 pm to
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If a program pays a coach a record salary (like Saban in 2007) to use his reputation to recruit elite players that otherwise would have gone somewhere else, is that not (in a way) buying a championship?



Non sequitur. The point being that schools that have been SOL at winning championships will get a few in at a high price in the collapse.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
18206 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:22 pm to
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If a program pays a coach a record salary (like Saban in 2007) to use his reputation to recruit elite players that otherwise would have gone somewhere else, is that not (in a way) buying a championship?

Serious mental gymnastics on this one, wow.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4914 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:30 pm to
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Non sequitur. The point being that schools that have been SOL at winning championships will get a few in at a high price in the collapse.

I think the only difference between pre-NIL and now is that programs will no longer have as much of a stranglehold on talent due to the coach and his ability to recruit. No one is going to have a 15 year advantage over everyone else in recruiting due to having a Saban, Carroll, or Meyer.

Alabama won six national titles from 2009-2020 because there’s only one Saban and Bama was lucky enough to have him. He recruited all the best players and would have done so at LSU, Ohio State, etc., too.

Now I think the top programs with the most money and resources will share the talent because the recruiting prowess of the HC is not as important as before NIL.

But rest assured the contenders before NIL will still be the same contenders during NIL.
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
1440 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:34 pm to
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That stupid greed is what led to this cataclysm.

So blame every moron who cheered and supported the idea that scholarships were enough and railed against the idea of controlled incentives all these years.


No question that greed has always been a problem, but you fail to understand, or at least recognize that greed is now even more out of control. But because it’s the athlete’s greed you are all for it. I don’t know how can you possibly rail against university greed but not do the same when it’s the players, unless you have some inherent bias.

This problem, and it is a problem, will never be fixed because the CFB fan base if full of idiots who either can’t understand or refuses to acknowledge that paying students athletes money is not the only form of valuable compensation available.

The sport is going to be ruined and a worse version of pro ball unless someone does something. This Miami Wisconsin situation is unacceptable.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4914 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:53 pm to
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Serious mental gymnastics on this one, wow.

Recruits are like women. A dude may not directly “pay” for sex with his hot wife like he might a prostitute - but there aren’t too many hot women who are married to brokies either, are there? If you want a hot woman, you are generally going to pay for it in some way. Similarly, you better be able to offer that five star something more than, “Hey, we’re Alabama. You should want to play for us.”

A recruit isn’t interested in how he can help your program. He is interested in how the program can help him. Period. And if that’s hiring a GOAT coach with a nine figure contract who’s good at developing NFL talent, putting money directly in their hands, or having a position open that they can slide into and shine, that’s all they care about.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4914 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 1:04 pm to
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The sport is going to be ruined

Maybe it should be. Maybe it was inevitable that CFB would outgrow itself and reach a breaking point between amateurism and becoming a gigantic entertainment industry.

Just cancel the shite and play intramural ball and let the students focus on being students instead of football players for six month seasons.

But the coaches, admin., and television guys making big bucks can’t have that. And the general public can’t live without the entertainment.

So people are going to appease the players whether they like it or not.
Posted by Alfie Solomons
Alabama
Member since Aug 2020
1440 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 1:25 pm to
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Maybe it should be.


I think it already is. After this year, the way things are going my passion for the sport is fading.

This may seem stupid to most people, but Alabama football has always been special to me. I joined the military a couple days after I graduated HS in the mid 80s, and the team was always a way for me to stay connected to home and my pride in my state, even when they weren’t good. Almost everyone I served with was a college football fan of the school in their region, and the players always seemed to have pride in and care about the university they played for, and about playing their best to increase their draft value for the future. Maybe I was gullible and just wanted to believe that, but I did. I don’t think most players today are focused on doing the things that promote their future draft stock, I think that has disappeared over the last few years. It’s not a good direction for the sport.

Maybe it should just die.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12448 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 1:56 pm to
JMO but all these high dollar contributions to NIL will drop over these next couple of years once their favorite school finishes 8-4 or 9-3 at best.

These players and their parent care about one thing and that is how much money they will get Today.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
45370 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:13 pm to
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JMO but all these high dollar contributions to NIL will drop over these next couple of years once their favorite school finishes 8-4 or 9-3 at best.


Why would a wealthy person who likes playing poker stop playing because he lost 0.01% of his net worth in Vegas one night? This shite is a hobby for those people, not an investment.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12448 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:30 pm to
Well if they have that kind of money then the new 200 million BB arena would be in place instead of on paper. Right?
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