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re: So this Tua kid...
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:02 pm to UASports23
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:02 pm to UASports23
Tua throws the ball better nobody is saying otherwise.
We dont have to be bitches like Huddie, and tear down Hurts to pump up Tua. They are both great. Tua throws the ball better, and Hurts runs the ball, and manages the offense and bright lights better. (at this point in their development)
If you think "throwing" it is more important than all the intangibles that Hurts bring please know that FSU would have kicked our arse had Tua been back there trying to "throw it" with the FSU DLine in his lap all night.
A mixture of the two should be what the true fans are hoping for which by the way is exactly what CNS is doing.
BTW if the day comes that Saban decides Tua gives this team the best chance to win I'll be supporting Tua the same way I support Hurts now. I think Tua is amazing.
And when the day comes that Bama trots a QB out there that sucks I'll be on here saying the QB sucks !
The thing is Hurts has been great despite a certain percentage of our fanbase not being able to figure that out. Guy is a playmaker.
We dont have to be bitches like Huddie, and tear down Hurts to pump up Tua. They are both great. Tua throws the ball better, and Hurts runs the ball, and manages the offense and bright lights better. (at this point in their development)
If you think "throwing" it is more important than all the intangibles that Hurts bring please know that FSU would have kicked our arse had Tua been back there trying to "throw it" with the FSU DLine in his lap all night.
A mixture of the two should be what the true fans are hoping for which by the way is exactly what CNS is doing.
BTW if the day comes that Saban decides Tua gives this team the best chance to win I'll be supporting Tua the same way I support Hurts now. I think Tua is amazing.
And when the day comes that Bama trots a QB out there that sucks I'll be on here saying the QB sucks !
The thing is Hurts has been great despite a certain percentage of our fanbase not being able to figure that out. Guy is a playmaker.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 10:38 pm
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:24 pm to GAFF
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Tua came out and basically did what everyone has been asking Hurts to do. That’s where the love comes from, point blank. He gave us what we’ve been wanting from Hurts in the passing game. Yes, there’s still more we need to see from him before I say he should start, but he at least can make down field throws. Our frustration comes from the Hurts homers who can’t admit that Hurts is lacking in the passing game. Which has been evident since last year.
Nailed it
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:32 pm to ReauxlTide222
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don't understand how this matter when projecting his skills and potential.
I never said that it did, I'm simply saying to compare their QBRs from the Vandy game is stupid because one faced a full strength Vandy, and the other faced a knocked out Vandy.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:12 pm to PowHound
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They are both great. Tua throws the ball better, and Hurts runs the ball, and manages the offense and bright lights better. (at this point in their development)
Don't disagree, this is what I was saying.
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If you think "throwing" it is more important than all the intangibles that Hurts bring please know that FSU would have kicked our arse had Tua been back there trying to "throw it" with the FSU DLine in his lap all night.
Agreed.
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if the day comes that Saban decides Tua gives this team the best chance to win
This is the only part I really wanted to emphasize. Personally, I believe, Tua will pass Jalen in development. I don't expect nor do I want him to take the job this year, it would be stupid. However the second he develops his ability to read coverage and make correct decisions under pressure(throwing it out of bounds unlike Hail Mary Coker) I think he takes it. It could be next year, it could be the year after, but at some point I think he will.
Calvin Ridley, Robert Foster, and Jerry Jeudy are all guys who could easily go in the first or second round. Yet we throw it for 80 yards against a Vanderbilt offense who stacks the box to open the first few drives. I just don't believe that Jalen has the trust to sling it and I believe it shows in the play calling, much like how when Coker came in we suddenly went super vertical compared to Blake. He wasn't better than Blake that season but the offense was entirely different when he would come in simply because Coker had a better arm than Blake. Tua isn't as good of a runner as Jalen, but I think the passing ability difference between the two outweighs the rushing ability.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:34 am to Eli Goldfinger
I'm so sick of our fanbase's obsession with this imaginary QB battle. Can we just appreciate two quality QBs and let this thing play itself out?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:30 am to UhOhOreo
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Yet we throw it for 80 yards against a Vanderbilt offense who stacks the box to open the first few drives
You do realize that Bama scored 4 touchdowns on their first 5 possessions and the only drive that failed was stopped by a sack when Bama tried to pass, right?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:10 am to Mobtro
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I'm so sick of our fanbase's obsession with this imaginary QB battle. Can we just appreciate two quality QBs and let this thing play itself out?
Yes. Nobody will talk about an intriguing aspect of the team because it makes you and a few of the fan boys uncomfortable.
What is the deal with you guys? Nobody I've seen, even the most staunch detractors, is saying that Hurts shouldn't be the starter. But, it's obvious Tua is extremely talented, particularly in the area of passing which has been Hurts' weakness. So, it's logical to think that Hurts is going to have some competition if he doesn't improve upon his passing. If we had two DB's in the same situation, these same people would be screaming to bench X and start Y. It's weird.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:35 am to Teague
You guys will be in so much pain when Hurts continues to start and Tua is patient enough to wait.
You are the exact types Saban hates. You make a controversy he has to deal with from nothing.
You are the exact types Saban hates. You make a controversy he has to deal with from nothing.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:58 am to YStar
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You guys will be in so much pain when Hurts continues to start and Tua is patient enough to wait. You are the exact types Saban hates. You make a controversy he has to deal with from nothing.
You guys are in so much pain now because some people point out Hurts needs to improve and Tua is a better passer. I think most of us will be perfectly fine if Hurts hangs onto his starting job until he graduates. If he does, it's because he's doing better than the other options.
You and boz should have a competition on who can not understand how to discuss what's being discussed the best. Or, maybe that's what's happening now. That would explain a lot.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 6:59 am
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:41 am to YStar
Not gonna lie, I really fvckin hate this whole thing. I don't understand the anger and frustration in having 2 very competitive, very talented kids at QB, especially when everyone seems to agree they are being handled exactly as they should at this point in the season.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:05 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Not gonna lie, I really fvckin hate this whole thing. I don't understand the anger and frustration in having 2 very competitive, very talented kids at QB, especially when everyone seems to agree they are being handled exactly as they should at this point in the season.
What gets me worked up are the blanket declarations of the Tua people*. Huddie has softened his tone, but there are still some that have already decided that Tua is already better and the only way he doesn't get handed the job is if Saban just gives it to Hurts. That's a disservice if not outright insult to Hurts and Tua - both of which have conducted themselves with nothing but class (Hurts looked happier than Tua over that crazy spinning TD pass) and an even bigger one to Saban. The best guy will get the job. If the guy you like is not the starter, it is because the staff thinks the other guy is better - and here's a news flash: They're way better at evaluating football players than all of us combined.
*There are Hurts people doing the same thing, but their guy is the one who's only loss as the starter was the national championship game.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 8:07 am
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:10 am to JustGetItRight
Great statement! We just got to sit back and enjoy the ride.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:12 am to Teague
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You and boz should have a competition on who can not understand how to discuss what's being discussed the best. Or, maybe that's what's happening now. That would explain a lot.
it's funny, I am just trying to make you and others understand how they gameplan based on risk. The unicorn conversations you guys have about how much better Tua is and all that is your business. I know who the better QB is based on who takes the snaps. You guys then started insulting some inside information that didn't pan out, when I always clearly say anything can happen. I've been right about 85% of the time and people have enjoyed it. Although I do not do it here anymore because people have absolute meltdowns when something or someone doesn't pan out.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:18 am to CrimsonBoz
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I've been right about 85% of the time
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:54 am to RollDatRoll
I haven’t seen anyone saying that Tua should start over Hurts. The pro Hurts people are just outraged that some people think Tua can throw better than he can.
Please find me some of these posts where people are saying we should bench Hurts
Please find me some of these posts where people are saying we should bench Hurts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:58 am to GAFF
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The pro Hurts people are just outraged that some people think Tua can throw better than he can.
LOL when the frick did the Alabama QB Depth Chart become political parties.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:20 pm to GAFF
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I haven’t seen anyone saying that Tua should start over Hurts. The pro Hurts people are just outraged that some people think Tua can throw better than he can.
Please find me some of these posts where people are saying we should bench Hurts
I think what the Hurts people are saying is the sample size and situation of the games doesn't provide the best picture of what Tua's abilities actually are in a real, game on the line type scenario. Maybe that is me but that's what I think.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:35 pm to Teague
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Yes. Nobody will talk about an intriguing aspect of the team because it makes you and a few of the fan boys uncomfortable. What is the deal with you guys? Nobody I've seen, even the most staunch detractors, is saying that Hurts shouldn't be the starter. But, it's obvious Tua is extremely talented, particularly in the area of passing which has been Hurts' weakness. So, it's logical to think that Hurts is going to have some competition if he doesn't improve upon his passing. If we had two DB's in the same situation, these same people would be screaming to bench X and start Y. It's weird.
I'm not uncomfortable. There isn't a QB battle and there won't be one unless Saban sees a pattern of severe inconsistency. A lot of fans penned Tua as the starter before he even set foot on campus...that's unfair to Jalen and puts unwanted pressure on Tua. This is what's going to happen in the offseason...the media is going to create this same story and Nick is going to blow the hell up.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:50 pm to Mobtro
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There isn't a QB battle and there won't be one unless Saban sees a pattern of severe inconsistency. A lot of fans penned Tua as the starter before he even set foot on campus...that's unfair to Jalen and puts unwanted pressure on Tua. This is what's going to happen in the offseason...the media is going to create this same story and Nick is going to blow the hell up.
Who says there's a QB "battle"? Links?
Who said Tua would be the starter before he got on campus? Links?
If this blows up in the press in the offseason, it won't be because the fans were talking about it.
When has Saban blowing up been detrimental to the team?
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 12:52 pm to JustGetItRight
I'm aware of that. You do realize we've rarely opened the playbook up in garbage time to give Jalen live reps of downfield passing? You do realize we haven't touched over the middle throws and do predominantly short yardage to the sideline almost every game?
Give me a single good reason why Jalen didn't throw 30+ times against Fresno State. Give me a single good reason why we suddenly opened up the playbook when Tua came in at 38-0 but we didn't with Jalen up by 31. The opening drive in the second half was run run run run run 4 yard pass run with a 30 point lead. When are we going to give him live ball reps? Why aren't we giving him live ball reps?
His passing chart looks the exact same as last year, if not more constrained on downfield passing. His accuracy on streaks is better, but that's the only play call downfield we've done routinely. Other than that we sometimes get the same play once or twice a game where he rolls right with the line and throws a 12 yard comeback. However we're not having him throw out routes, Corners, Posts, and even slants from the pocket routinely. He's not going through your normal progressions and reads. As someone commented, it seems his second read is to just tuck it and run half the time. It's great he has the ability to run but that shouldn't even be his second read on a play.
The expectations over the offseason were for him to become an able passer but McElroy was trusted to make more throws than he is right now. It's great we have a loaded backfield but that doesn't mean we don't have an issue at QB in regards to passing and it doesn't mean we should be fine with leaning on it as a crutch. Right now it looks like the same Achilles heel it was last year and we haven't done anything to strengthen it.
Give me a single good reason why Jalen didn't throw 30+ times against Fresno State. Give me a single good reason why we suddenly opened up the playbook when Tua came in at 38-0 but we didn't with Jalen up by 31. The opening drive in the second half was run run run run run 4 yard pass run with a 30 point lead. When are we going to give him live ball reps? Why aren't we giving him live ball reps?
His passing chart looks the exact same as last year, if not more constrained on downfield passing. His accuracy on streaks is better, but that's the only play call downfield we've done routinely. Other than that we sometimes get the same play once or twice a game where he rolls right with the line and throws a 12 yard comeback. However we're not having him throw out routes, Corners, Posts, and even slants from the pocket routinely. He's not going through your normal progressions and reads. As someone commented, it seems his second read is to just tuck it and run half the time. It's great he has the ability to run but that shouldn't even be his second read on a play.
The expectations over the offseason were for him to become an able passer but McElroy was trusted to make more throws than he is right now. It's great we have a loaded backfield but that doesn't mean we don't have an issue at QB in regards to passing and it doesn't mean we should be fine with leaning on it as a crutch. Right now it looks like the same Achilles heel it was last year and we haven't done anything to strengthen it.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 1:07 pm
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