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Scholarship limits need to increase in college football
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:35 am
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:35 am
With two or more possible games a season in college college, scholarship limits should go up to 90-95.
This especially if and when there becomes a 5, 6, or 8 team playoff.
This especially if and when there becomes a 5, 6, or 8 team playoff.
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Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:38 am to biggsc
I always have felt that the restricted numbers favors a prime recruiter/evaluator like Saban. There is less margin for error. The poor evaluators can camouflage their weaknesses with expanded numbers and sheer volume. I'm good with 85.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:45 am to SoFla Tideroller
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I always have felt that the restricted numbers favors a prime recruiter/evaluator like Saban. There is less margin for error. The poor evaluators can camouflage their weaknesses with expanded numbers and sheer volume. I'm good with 85.
What if then the CFP goes up in teams?
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:48 am to biggsc
Why? The numbers are already too high as it is.
66 players fill a 3-deep roster (of which many "3rd team" players won't play much if any at all...think about how often we've used the 3rd team linemen). Another 19 are allotted for developmental players.
Pushing it past 90 is just gluttony.
66 players fill a 3-deep roster (of which many "3rd team" players won't play much if any at all...think about how often we've used the 3rd team linemen). Another 19 are allotted for developmental players.
Pushing it past 90 is just gluttony.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:53 am to stomp
With the transfer portal now I don’t know how coaches can stay at 85 without handing out schollies to walk ons
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:56 am to biggsc
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With two or more possible games a season in college college, scholarship limits should go up to 90-95.
I strongly disagree.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:57 am to biggsc
quote:85 players is more than plenty.
What if then the CFP goes up in teams?
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:59 am to biggsc
If there’s a 25 a year hard cap. There should be a scholarship roster limit at 100-125.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:08 am to CapstoneGrad06
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If there’s a 25 a year hard cap. There should be a scholarship roster limit at 100-125.
How do you even begin to fill that, considering natural attrition? Even if the limits were raised from 85 to 100+, you'd need a limit at closer to 35.
25*4=100 ... and that's assuming nobody leaves early.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:11 am to biggsc
I've always been in favor of increasing the scholarship limits. The only thing it is hurting now are the kids wanting to come to a certain school.
How many kids have Bama told no because they didn't have a spot for them?
How many kids have Bama told no because they didn't have a spot for them?
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:20 am to stomp
I've never seen an age of football where high school recruits are more committed to just a few elite programs. Recruits in the upper 4 and 5* label can't wait to get to the hottest brand on the market, today. It doesn't seem to matter much who they rooted for growing up and what state they were raised. It's a "business decision," we hear over and over. The reason college football has gotten so top-heavy, now, more than ever, is that elite recruits go to all of the same elite camps, talk each other into the same few programs and soon most 5 stars are in just a few places.
Given that phenomenon alone, Alabama has been the greatest benefactor of this new age football. 25/85 only accentuates the penthouse from the outhouse. Until coach Saban leaves, I'm good with the haves and have-nots.
Given that phenomenon alone, Alabama has been the greatest benefactor of this new age football. 25/85 only accentuates the penthouse from the outhouse. Until coach Saban leaves, I'm good with the haves and have-nots.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:23 am to biggsc
I don't think the NCAA is very likely to loosen the 85 total counters limit. If the limit were 95 there's a valid point that more kids could benefit by getting free college degree. However, a lot of schools' athletic programs can't afford 95 schollies. Also, it'd likely reduce parity, since the talent-rich teams could get even deeper with talent, leaving the other teams less talented.
I don't think they'll increase the 25 annual limits either, unless transfers reach the level where schools commonly can't hit the 85 total counters limit without resorting to awarding more than a few schollies to walkons. The 85 cap ÷ 4 years = about 21 departures/year. So, signing 25/year allows for attrition of 4/year.
Maybe they'd consider adding an exception rule for extreme transfer-out attrition -- to allow for some replacements that wouldn't count against the 25 limits. For example, a team might have a terrible season or HC departure, resulting in 10 outbound transfers, along with 25 graduations and early departures to the NFL.
I don't think they'll increase the 25 annual limits either, unless transfers reach the level where schools commonly can't hit the 85 total counters limit without resorting to awarding more than a few schollies to walkons. The 85 cap ÷ 4 years = about 21 departures/year. So, signing 25/year allows for attrition of 4/year.
Maybe they'd consider adding an exception rule for extreme transfer-out attrition -- to allow for some replacements that wouldn't count against the 25 limits. For example, a team might have a terrible season or HC departure, resulting in 10 outbound transfers, along with 25 graduations and early departures to the NFL.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 12:26 am
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:23 am to remaster916
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How many kids have Bama told no because they didn't have a spot for them?
They could still come if they have good enough grades.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 9:48 am to biggsc
I agree but Title IX will prevent it.. we are running out of girl sports to equal out.. unless we make bitchin a sport..lol
Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:01 am to remaster916
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How many kids have Bama told no because they didn't have a spot for them?
That's called market. If the spot were open for them, they're likely lower on the totem pole and a risk to transfer.
You also have to look at it in totality. We wouldn't be the only school with more slots to fill, and this would exacerbate the problem "non-commitable" scholarship offers during the recruiting process.
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Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:10 am to stomp
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66 players fill a 3-deep roster (of which many "3rd team" players won't play much if any at all...think about how often we've used the 3rd team linemen). Another 19 are allotted for developmental players.
This. Outside of shooty hoops, no other team can field an entire starting squad of full ride athletes. As one of the sports with 9.9 total scholarships, I feel no sympathy for a sport with 85.
Speaking of 85, are we even at 85? Thought we were 82-83 range, before transfers.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:28 am to biggsc
Put me down for wanting the limit raised to 95. That would be an extra 140 people in the SEC that get their school paid.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:47 am to stomp
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If there’s a 25 a year hard cap. There should be a scholarship roster limit at 100-125.
How do you even begin to fill that, considering natural attrition? Even if the limits were raised from 85 to 100+, you'd need a limit at closer to 35.
25*4=100 ... and that's assuming nobody leaves
Make where you can sign a max of 25 per signing period and no cap. The natural roster attrition will keep the actual number of scholarships down around 85 to 95 .
No one would need to get cut and with current transfer rules they can leave already fairly easily if they want playing time sooner elsewhere. Ut would be really simple and fair.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:47 am to Cobrasize
It should go up, but not gonna happen. If anything it’ll go the other way. Most schools can’t afford more and then there’s the whole Title IX angle too. The NCAA ain’t gonna give Bama and Clemson and Ohio State a blank check.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 10:59 am to biggsc
Im on the fence with this issue...as stated above smaller numbers benefit those that are willing to put in the effort in to recruit.
On the other hand...im all for more kids getting an opportunity to not only attend college on the schools dime..but also to attend the school of their choice. It bothers me that for the sake of parity (aka money) the NCAA put a limit of 25 per yr. If you have grown up a Bama fan and are a good football player...just you happen to be...#26 you either have to foot the bill yourself or go to another school. Not that Bama doesn't want the kid....just not allowed to offer him, and finances what they are....he generally has to go somewhere else. That part of me says...as many kids as a school wants to give schollys to ...do so.
On the other hand...im all for more kids getting an opportunity to not only attend college on the schools dime..but also to attend the school of their choice. It bothers me that for the sake of parity (aka money) the NCAA put a limit of 25 per yr. If you have grown up a Bama fan and are a good football player...just you happen to be...#26 you either have to foot the bill yourself or go to another school. Not that Bama doesn't want the kid....just not allowed to offer him, and finances what they are....he generally has to go somewhere else. That part of me says...as many kids as a school wants to give schollys to ...do so.
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