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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:04 pm to bamameister
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:04 pm to bamameister
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When I bring up the mob mentality, I'll spell it, mob mentality.
You don’t have to spell mob mentality to imply it. You said “immediate responses”, which were rants he immediately got in response. Not protests.
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Then ask Drew Bees why he's backing up. Why did he reverse course and say his remarks were insensitive? Why would he take back what he meant? You can't back up Brees unless he wants to back up. As far as being a racist, there's not a human on this earth that doesn't have a certain amount of preconceived bias. So, the only question for Bree's is to what degree. Ask him?
Probably because of the massive amount of backlash he got. He still wants to have place in football world for years to come. But at the time he didn’t intend to hurt people. That’s not who he is.
I have no problem with protests. I have no problem with those that disagreed him and took account his character while trying to explain to him why he’s wrong. I don’t think it’s crazy to expect grown men to respond to someone they know personally (and spoke well of) in a well thought of way instead of immediately tearing him down. If a 23 year old player is capable of being mature then so should a 38 year old.
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I just don't have any issue with how they controlled their virus.
And that makes no sense. You acknowledge that they used force to suppress their virus. “And don’t say, we don’t know what they did”. You said how an efforts of US weren’t going to be as good as a communist country.
So you’re once again fine with mass police brutality in one country but not another. You’re a hypocrite plain and simple. You wanted the troubled US police to be able to do the same thing here and thought that made sense.
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Any more than the fact that you can't substantiate how China actually did it.
But yet you believe them and have enough to say they did a great job. They didn’t even say how many tests they did like every other country in the world has.
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As stated by me, most countries
No you said
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Pick a country, almost any country, the United States handling of Covid-19 and subsequent results would be running a poor second.
Which is wrong given the number of European countries that did worse.
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Now you can go back to your paid political announcement about China.
Funny because I could say the same about you shilling for China on here.
I have a problem with oppressive governments. So my criticism extends to this country too.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:39 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Probably because of the massive amount of backlash he got. He still wants to have place in football world for years to come. But at the time he didn’t intend to hurt people. That’s not who he is.
We're all left with our convictions in the end. Drew has to look in the mirror just like everyone else. If you believe something is true, even if it happens to not be the majority view, some people are willing to pay the price more than others.
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I have no problem with protests. I have no problem with those that disagreed him and took account his character while trying to explain to him why he’s wrong. I don’t think it’s crazy to expect grown men to respond to so
meone they know personally (and spoke well of) in a well thought of way instead of immediately tearing him down. If a 23 year old player is capable of being mature then so should a 38 year old.
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A 28-year-old Kapernick, whether anyone agrees or not, took the road less traveled and is still unemployed for his stand. It's just what you do when you really believe your right.
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And that makes no sense. You acknowledge that they used force to suppress their virus. “And don’t say, we don’t know what they did”. You said how an efforts of US weren’t going to be as good as a communist country.
I acknowledge that when the government said to stay home, they stayed home. Many of our citizens went to the beach. I also have acknowledged that when Trump sent an overwhelming force into the cities to break up the looters and hate groups, lawlessness came to a screeching halt as we knew it. That meant pushing back and retraining the coming and going of peaceful protesters until the police and national guard took care of the problem. Overwhelming force doesn't scare me and can be for society's best interest, at times, and for the right reasons.
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But yet you believe them and have enough to say they did a great job. They didn’t even say how many tests they did like every other country in the world has.
You're going to have to work out all your personal issues with China on your own. There isn't a government on this earth down through history that hasn't failed its citizens ultimately and come crashing down for one reason or another. All man-made governments, regardless of the idealogy, have come with an expiration date for a reason. It's in your history books.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:56 pm to bamameister
Here’s the thing. My problem is you’re justifying the media and social media mob mentality. You seem to no problem with that. Even though you didn’t mention it, you very much implied it. Now you’re trying to backtrack.
People like you are too naive to see the dangers of oppressive authority. The one who determines what is in “best interests” is the oppressive government. Not you (the public). I’m sure the oppressive police and justice system you have fault with are doing what they think is in the “best interests” of people too.
That’s not an excuse for the CCP’s history. Just because other countries have problems, that doesn’t excuse China. The CCP’s history is worse than most countries. They have literally sent in the military to mow down and blow up thousands of peaceful protesters. And to this day, they still deny any wrongdoing whatsoever during the massacre. Some will deny it even happened. Not to mention all the other horrible shite (putting Muslims into re-education camps) they’re still doing.
So acting like it’s unreasonable for me to hate their government is absurd.
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Overwhelming force doesn't scare me and can be for society's best interest, at times, and for the right reasons.
People like you are too naive to see the dangers of oppressive authority. The one who determines what is in “best interests” is the oppressive government. Not you (the public). I’m sure the oppressive police and justice system you have fault with are doing what they think is in the “best interests” of people too.
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You're going to have to work out all your personal issues with China on your own.
That’s not an excuse for the CCP’s history. Just because other countries have problems, that doesn’t excuse China. The CCP’s history is worse than most countries. They have literally sent in the military to mow down and blow up thousands of peaceful protesters. And to this day, they still deny any wrongdoing whatsoever during the massacre. Some will deny it even happened. Not to mention all the other horrible shite (putting Muslims into re-education camps) they’re still doing.
So acting like it’s unreasonable for me to hate their government is absurd.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:58 pm to bamameister
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I also have acknowledged that when Trump sent an overwhelming force into the cities to break up the looters and hate groups, lawlessness came to a screeching halt as we knew it.
Donald Trump sent US troops into one city - Washington DC which is unique in that it was established by the constitution and isn't a state. The federal government effectively serves as it's state government.
The riots in other cities were not quelled by troops sent there by the POTUS. That requires invoking the Insurrection Act and hasn't happened since the LA riots of 1992 when President Bush sent in US Army infantry and Marines at the request of Califonia's governor.
The troops (and police) you've seen on TV were not deployed by President Trump. They were deployed by the governors of the respective states involved and were operating entirely under state control.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:19 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Here’s the thing. My problem is you’re justifying the media and social media mob mentality. You seem to no problem with that. Even though you didn’t mention it, you very much implied it. Now you’re trying to backtrack.
Your problem is the constant ulterior motives you put to my comments. Take them at face value, it will be a lot less confusing for everyone. Given that I have often and most recently gone into extensive detail how both CNN and Fox News have created more divisiveness and intellectual hijacking than any hate group or rogue cops, you obviously still aren't paying attention.
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People like you are too naive to see the dangers of oppressive authority. The one who determines what is in “best interests” is the oppressive government. Not you (the public). I’m sure the oppressive police and justice system you have fault with are doing what they think is in the “best interests” of people too.
"People like me," have watched the oppression and futility of man trying to govern himself for decades. I've also stated many times that most of the police departments have a different moral code that rogue cops. I just congratulated the president's strategy to get to the rioters with "overwhelming force." You are not paying attention to the argument.
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That’s not an excuse for the CCP’s history. Just because other countries have problems, that doesn’t excuse China. The CCP’s history is worse than most countries. They have literally sent in the military to mow down and blow up thousands of peaceful protesters. And to this day, they still deny any wrongdoing whatsoever during the massacre. Some will deny it even happened. Not to mention all the other horrible shite (putting Muslims into re-education camps) they’re still doing.
So acting like it’s unreasonable for me to hate their government is absurd.
I don't think it's unreasonable to hate the effects of any particular government and how they consistently let down their constituents. I just said at least that much with my evaluation on why all governments, of all idealogy, have ultimately failed and comes with an "expiration date." Again, you're not reading.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:23 pm to JustGetItRight
The violence/looting/rioting in DC didn't even stop because of the military presence. It had mostly died down by that point, then the local police stopped enforcing the curfew and they've had few, if any, arrests since then.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:30 pm to bamameister
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Your problem is the constant ulterior motives you put to my comments. Take them at face value, it will be a lot less confusing for everyone. Given that I have often and most recently gone into extensive detail how both CNN and Fox News have created more divisiveness and intellectual hijacking than any hate group or rogue cops, you obviously still aren't paying attention.
There’s no “ulterior motive”. You said “immediate reaction” and brought up Brees and that coach. What happened to them is mob mentality. You’re just trying to backtrack now.
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"People like me," have watched the oppression and futility of man trying to govern himself for decades. I've also stated many times that most of the police departments have a different moral code that rogue cops. I just congratulated the president's strategy to get to the rioters with "overwhelming force." You are not paying attention to the argument.
People like you are naive. The government determines what’s “best for society”. The rouge cops and troubled judicial system do what they think is “best for society”. It’s such a such a subjective area. The fact that you can’t see how that can and has been abused is you being naive and ignorant. You’re using that argument to justify oppression when YOU see fit.
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Again, you're not reading.
Oh I’m reading. In that old covid thread, you went immediately to defend China. You spent more time defending China and their oppressive nature than the democratic nations. You didn’t saying anything bad about them. It doesn’t seem you think much wrong about them. You’re trying to rationalize their behavior. Yet you come here and talk about oppression here.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:41 pm to JustGetItRight
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I assume by 'most countries' you mean western democracies where the citizens have certain rights and the media has at least in theory the ability to report freely. Places like Belgium, the UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden, France, the Netherlands, and Ireland right?
Because if that's what you meant, every single nation I listed has a higher COVID death rate per 100k than the US.
Your assumption would be incorrect. The only reason I said "most" is because I meant "most." How do you think China came up?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:11 pm to bamameister
Then you're comparing apples to oranges. Even leaving China out, literally nobody believes the numbers coming out of places like Russia are anywhere close to accurate.
So what you're really saying then is that you prefer responses that were different than those of western style democracies.
We're just going to have to disagree on that then.
So what you're really saying then is that you prefer responses that were different than those of western style democracies.
We're just going to have to disagree on that then.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:28 pm to JustGetItRight
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Then you're comparing apples to oranges. Even leaving China out, literally nobody believes the numbers coming out of places like Russia are anywhere close to accurate.
So what you're really saying then is that you prefer responses that were different than those of western style democracies.
We're just going to have to disagree on that then.
I'm saying I prefer fewer funerals.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:37 pm to bamameister
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I'm saying I prefer fewer funerals.
Then you REALLY need to avoid supporting totalitarian regimes.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:46 pm to bamameister
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I'm saying I prefer fewer funerals
wow
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:47 pm to JustGetItRight
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Then you REALLY need to avoid supporting totalitarian regimes.
I said most countries as well. Do you have more words of wisdom why the funeral count is saying that the USA is losing the race on COVID-19?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 4:39 pm to bamameister
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Do you have more words of wisdom why the funeral count is saying that the USA is losing the race on COVID-19?
Since we're now altogether ignoring per capita rates, I'll submit that far more people will die in China of all causes than in any other country this year. So, by your own gold standard of government effectiveness ("funeral counts"), China is the worst country on the planet.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 4:41 pm to bamameister
I've already pointed you to the fact that the US is doing better than most other non-isolated western style democracies in deaths per 100k.
If you want to talk about total deaths, well OK, good luck finding any disease, trauma, etc where the total number of deaths in a nation of 330 million is lower than the whole of western Europe and their population of 196 million.
Lots of people died, I understand. Lots of people die every year. The proposition that somehow the US did worse than most nations is demonstrably untrue. Your insistence that it has is coming from either an emotional reaction to the deaths, an unwillingness to look at objective facts, or a disdain for the current national leadership. Maybe a combination of the three, but your assertion simply isn't true.
If you want to talk about total deaths, well OK, good luck finding any disease, trauma, etc where the total number of deaths in a nation of 330 million is lower than the whole of western Europe and their population of 196 million.
Lots of people died, I understand. Lots of people die every year. The proposition that somehow the US did worse than most nations is demonstrably untrue. Your insistence that it has is coming from either an emotional reaction to the deaths, an unwillingness to look at objective facts, or a disdain for the current national leadership. Maybe a combination of the three, but your assertion simply isn't true.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:21 am to TideCPA
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I'll submit that far more people will die in China of all causes than in any other country this year.
But then we wouldn't be discussing COVID-19, now would we?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:29 am to bamameister
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But then we wouldn't be discussing COVID-19, now would we?
for some reason I get the distinct feeling that you'd find something to argue about
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:57 am to JustGetItRight
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I've already pointed you to the fact that the US is doing better than most other non-isolated western style democracies in deaths per 100k.
If you want to talk about total deaths, well OK, good luck finding any disease, trauma, etc where the total number of deaths in a nation of 330 million is lower than the whole of western Europe and their population of 196 million.
Lots of people died, I understand. Lots of people die every year. The proposition that somehow the US did worse than most nations is demonstrably untrue. Your insistence that it has is coming from either an emotional reaction to the deaths, an unwillingness to look at objective facts, or a disdain for the current national leadership. Maybe a combination of the three, but your assertion simply isn't true.
I've managed to keep politics out of it. The fact that you and I are now discussing the Covid-19 virus in a "Protest blowing up" thread is only because someone's pretty sure that China's totalitarian government is bad. No kidding!
I would add that comparing the poor COVID-19 results to other more democratic countries only strengthens my argument here. When people are given choices and expected to use good judgment and forethought, instead of being made to exercise good judgment and forethought we are left with extremely poor results and a lot of funerals.
As far as stats go about this deadly mess, there are plenty of fair and eye-opening graphs and charts that tell the story daily. No one is being exposed to new light at this point.
As far as funerals go in this country that is directly related to COVID-19 if this was in the SEC, the USA would be Vanderbilt.
LINK
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:16 am to bamameister
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is only because someone's pretty sure that China's totalitarian government is bad. No kidding!
Is only because to point out your hypocrisy. Fine with oppression when YOU “feel” benefits other people.
Please explain why you are focused on total covid deaths as opposed to per capita? Perhaps because it helps your argument even though it’s a dumb way to look at things. You’re expecting countries with populations 4-6x as small as the US to have the same or more deaths. You are believing what the numbers of what oppressive regimes put out when it suits you. But at the time admit no one knows for sure if they’re lying.
According to the very site you posted, there are a number of western democracies doing worst in comparison to the US. It’s the reason you went from “point even one country that’s doing nearly bad as the US” to most countries. You know you were wrong.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:32 am to 1BamaRTR
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According to the very site you posted, there are a number of western democracies doing worst in comparison to the US. It’s the reason you went from “point even one country that’s doing nearly bad as the US” to most countries. You know you were wrong.
Why don't you go back on this thread and give BamaLand a direct quote from me so we all know where it all went wrong?
Don't forget to mention that China's totalitarian government is bad. I wouldn't want you to get out of character.
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