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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:58 am to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:58 am to 1BamaRTR
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You brought up the backlash Brees and that strength coach got. What happened there was mob mentality. Not protests. If you were only talking about protests, then you wouldn’t bring them up.
The fact that you don’t see an issue with trying to suppress other people is concerning. Mob mentality is not ok.
Frankly, there isn't much these players are saying that aren't motivated by these protests. Norvell telling the press he has sat down with each of his players and discussed the Floyd issue and then hearing he hadn't is a case of being "tone-deaf" to what's on his players' minds right now. You'll have to ask the players why they don't respect their brand new coach. Off-hand, I would think it has a lot to do with his honesty and integrity.
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Yes Brees should have had more common sense BUT that doesn’t justify mob mentality.
This is your working definition of mob mentality? Black and white players and media alike let Brees know what they thought. Personally, He doesn't have the market cornered on folks that served with honor in the military, so it's not the trump card here. He also was very aware of what the flag meant to his locker room. Much like Custer, Drew Brees had it coming. Mob mentality doesn't really work here.
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What’s not ok, is you telling a guy immediately (and someone know personally) to go screw himself. That is childish. If one of the youngest players on the team (Marcus Davenport) can think clearly about this, then so should 38 year old Malcom Jenkins (initially put out a video rant telling Brees to go screw himself).
So what? You have Bama fans over here doing the same thing from time to time. It's what people do. A few people getting all worked up and letting it rip doesn't make Brees a victim of mob mentality. Nor do a few looters and rioters define the millions of peaceful protesters. Nor does a few rogue cops make all the cops with a moral compass rogue. See how that works?
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What’s funny is not a long while back you were defending China and wishing their tactics of suppressing the virus would happen in the US. Yet here you are talking about police brutality in this thread. There’s some disconnect there you don’t even realize.
You speak in extremes. Your emotions are showing. And yes, I'll gladly take China's results of COVID-19 over this country. Now, if we could only undo all these funerals everyone's been going to.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:06 pm to bamameister
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And yes, I'll gladly take China's results of COVID-19 over this country.
The total lack of self-awareness is shocking.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:06 pm to imjustafatkid
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I see. So you agree with the things Drew Brees said and don't think he should have apologized? Got it.
That's it? That's the rebuttal? If you have a case and defense for Drew Bree's comments fine. But putting words in my mouth won't get you any closer to the truth.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:06 pm to bamameister
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I'll gladly take China's results of COVID-19 over this country.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:07 pm to bamameister
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That's it? That's the rebuttal? If you have a case and defense for Drew Bree's comments fine. But putting words in my mouth won't get you any closer to the truth.
At this point I think you're simply a troll. No one could possibly be this incapable of following a conversation.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:08 pm to imjustafatkid
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The total lack of self-awareness is shocking.
Been to any good funerals lately? Pick a country, almost any country, the United States handling of Covid-19 and subsequent results would be running a poor second.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:14 pm to bamameister
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Been to any good funerals lately? Pick a country, almost any country, the United States handling of Covid-19 and subsequent results would be running a poor second.
Yep. Definitely a troll. Well, I hope that's the case anyway, because that is a truly awful take.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:15 pm to imjustafatkid
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At this point I think you're simply a troll. No one could possibly be this incapable of following a conversation.
It's just a matter of time before that makes me a barner too. Lots of labeling from your mouth today. Methinks you ran out of rebuttal some time ago.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:16 pm to bamameister
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Frankly, there isn't much these players are saying that aren't motivated by these protests. Norvell telling the press he has sat down with each of his players and discussed the Floyd issue and then hearing he hadn't is a case of being "tone-deaf" to what's on his players' minds right now. You'll have to ask the players why they don't respect their brand new coach. Off-hand, I would think it has a lot to do with his honesty and integrity.
You specifically brought up the mob mentality when you said the “immediately reactions to”. Now you’re trying to turn it into just talking about protests.
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This is your working definition of mob mentality?
You are either intentionally ignoring what happened or don’t know. They were trying to “cancel” him. A lot of the immediate reactions were just trashing him. You had people acting like he was racist now or directly calling him racist.
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So what? You have Bama fans over here doing the same thing from time to time. It's what people do.
That’s not a justification. It’s not ok in either case. It’s not illogical to call it out and expect more from adults.
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A few people getting all worked up and letting it rip doesn't make Brees a victim of mob mentality.
Once again underestimating how much hatred he got. They were destroying his person because he 100% disagreed with what he said. Like I said, concerning people are fine with silencing others and forcing them into submission if they disagree in the slightest.
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Nor do a few looters and rioters define the millions of peaceful protesters. Nor does a few rogue cops make all the cops with a moral compass rogue. See how that works?
It’s possible to be fine with people protesting but also be against the “cancel culture” of social media.
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You speak in extremes. Your emotions are showing. And yes, I'll gladly take China's results of COVID-19 over this country. Now, if we could only undo all these funerals everyone's been going to.
See this is some true disconnect. You believe an oppressive regime. One that uses force to silence its people and control them. Force in the form of police and their military. YET, have so many issues with the American police. But also at the same time want these clearly troubled American police to be even more oppressive/forceful to stop a virus. You have serious cognitive dissonance.
You want to say I’m being emotional while you defend the social media tantrums of clearly emotional responses. You want no emotion in responses except if you agree with it.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:17 pm to bamameister
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Pick a country, almost any country, the United States handling of Covid-19 and subsequent results would be running a poor second.
Spain, UK, France, and Italy all did worse on a per capita basis. China could fudge their initial outbreak numbers and you wouldn’t even know.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:20 pm to 1BamaRTR
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You have serious cognitive dissonance.
Is it surprising that someone who is accepting of the Twitter mob/forced ideological compliance is also a fanboy of a fascist dystopian communist dictatorship?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:26 pm to VirgilCaine
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Is it surprising that someone who is accepting of the Twitter mob/forced ideological compliance is also a fanboy of a fascist dystopian communist dictatorship?
No, but it is shocking to see someone seemingly totally sold out to idea that this is righteous. That's why I find it hard to believe he's being honest.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:28 pm to bamameister
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t's just a matter of time before that makes me a barner too.
Please, please run and go join the Auburn fans for support. Just don’t come crying back when you realize you annoy them as well.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:30 pm to VirgilCaine
He also wanted the government to forcibly (and violently if needed) shut everyone down during the virus but at the same time is fine with protests happening. Now he could say virus isn’t a big deal anymore so the virus won’t spread much anymore but clearly he doesn’t believe that given what he says about the US response. He’s selectively choosing where and what to be outraged about.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:31 pm to bodask42
In my experience, Auburn fans are just as, if not more conservative compared to Bama fans. Especially the ones on this site.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:40 pm to 1BamaRTR
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You specifically brought up the mob mentality when you said the “immediately reactions to”. Now you’re trying to turn it into just talking about protests.
When I bring up the mob mentality, I'll spell it, mob mentality.
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You are either intentionally ignoring what happened or don’t know. They were trying to “cancel” him. A lot of the immediate reactions were just trashing him. You had people acting like he was racist now or directly calling him racist.
Then ask Drew Bees why he's backing up. Why did he reverse course and say his remarks were insensitive? Why would he take back what he meant? You can't back up Brees unless he wants to back up. As far as being a racist, there's not a human on this earth that doesn't have a certain amount of preconceived bias. So, the only question for Bree's is to what degree. Ask him?
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That’s not a justification.
It’s not ok in either case. It’s not illogical to call it out and expect more from adults.
Wasn't trying to justify people's emotions. Just telling you it's what people do. Hardly new.
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See this is some true disconnect. You believe an oppressive regime. One that uses force to silence its people and control them. Force in the form of police and their military. YET, have so many issues with the American police. But also at the same time want these clearly troubled American police to be even more oppressive/forceful to stop a virus. You have serious cognitive dissonance.
You want to say I’m being emotional while you defend the social media tantrums of clearly emotional responses. You want no emotion in responses except if you agree with it.
I just don't have any issue with how they controlled their virus. Any more than the fact that you can't substantiate how China actually did it. As stated by me, most countries would be ahead of this country in effort and results. Funerals would be plenty enough substantiation for the success or failure of each countries strategy.
Now you can go back to your paid political announcement about China.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:44 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Once again underestimating how much hatred he got. They were destroying his person because he 100% disagreed with what he said. Like I said, concerning people are fine with silencing others and forcing them into submission if they disagree in the slightest.
My read of the situation wasn't that there was any disagreement with what Brees said, nor that he was forced into submission into their way of thinking. The anger was over him turning the argument into something it never was - military service. For him, kneeling is disrespectful to his family that served, and that's fine. But he's in the NFL and is around black players all the time. His comments showed he didn't listen to their reasons for protesting during the national anthem, and instead put those actions through his own prism.
I'm not a fan of the social media cancel culture either, but I also think when a public figure makes comments they open themselves up to criticism. I think his apology was genuine, and we'd all be better off just moving on from it. Drew Brees hasn't been canceled. He'll be suting this fall if the NFL has a season, and he'll still have a prominent voice in he league.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:48 pm to The Spleen
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Drew Brees hasn't been canceled.
Yes he has. No one respects him anymore. He has no voice.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:51 pm to imjustafatkid
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and Floyd was being violent with the police
This is the part you keep glossing over.
The officer maintained that position a very long time after he stopped resisting - long enough that a trained medical responder recognized that Mr. Floyd was in serious shape.
I've seen people get their arse whipped by the police because they wouldn't stop fighting. Unfortunately, over the years I've even been in a few situations where it got so bad the EMS crew became part of the fight. Even in the case where the 100 pound female tweeker (meth) came very close to whipping 3 of us and walking off, once they're in cuffs the fight is over.
This fight was over. To be honest, it never was really much of a fight at all. He was just a drunk/high guy that was resisting getting into a patrol car. Happens thousands of times across this country every week. The difference is most cops just pick them up and shove them in the back of the car. Worst thing that happens is they hit their head on the roof or the door getting in.
Have you watched the videos all the way through? If not I suggest you check out this New York Times video. I normally wouldn't click a link from them because of their blatant propaganda masked as news, but this isn't one of those. It's a simple non-editorialized video put together to give a timeline.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:02 pm to bamameister
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As stated by me, most countries would be ahead of this country in effort and results. Funerals would be plenty enough substantiation for the success or failure of each countries strategy.
I assume by 'most countries' you mean western democracies where the citizens have certain rights and the media has at least in theory the ability to report freely. Places like Belgium, the UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden, France, the Netherlands, and Ireland right?
Because if that's what you meant, every single nation I listed has a higher COVID death rate per 100k than the US.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 2:28 pm
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