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re: Protests blowing up in Downtown Birmingham
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:32 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:32 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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If it showed the officers in a bad light we would have already seen them
We pretty much have already seen the entire incident through cell phone videos and security camera footage. The only part we don't see is when he's in the back of the cruiser before they pull him back out.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:54 am to The Spleen
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We pretty much have already seen the entire incident through cell phone videos and security camera footage. The only part we don't see is when he's in the back of the cruiser before they pull him back out.
I should also probably retract my statement based on most other cases that involve police body cam footage as I think the majority of those are not released until trial right?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:46 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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I should also probably retract my statement based on most other cases that involve police body cam footage as I think the majority of those are not released until trial right?
Generally not until trial or at the very least until it is turned over to the defense. The more things like videos get public the harder it is to seat an impartial jury.
Spleen is right in that all the video would possibly show is that Mr. Floyd wasn't just innocently sitting there but was instead actively resisting arrest. Even if that's true, all it does for the defense is give them something to try to show why the officer initially put him on the ground.
The problem for them is that's not going to be enough. If Mr. Floyd was resisting and he had to use the knee to the head/neck to get him cuffed, that's fine. I've seen it done quite a few times in person. What I've never seen done is for an officer to keep it there once the person was cuffed. Once they're secured if they want to act a fool and flop around on the ground the police just let them do it because they ain't going anywhere. The officer here kept his knee there even after Mr. Floyd stopped moving and remained still. He kept it there after a (white female) Minneapolis firefighter/emt told them she thought he was in trouble, asked for and was denied permission to assess him. Those are facts that can't be justified by any actions done by Mr. Floyd in the back seat of the patrol car.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:55 am to JustGetItRight
Well said
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:57 am to JustGetItRight
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Once they're secured if they want to act a fool and flop around on the ground the police just let them do it because they ain't going anywhere.
This just isn't true. It is absolutely possible to stand up and run away while handcuffed.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:00 am to bamameister
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Right now, this highly charged social push back isn't business as usual. Maybe it won't be again. But as coach Norvell is learning, now is not the time to go tone-deaf about where his players fit into the struggle. As Drew Brees found out in another way, any individual who purposely, or otherwise, misses the point is going to get called out.
There is no struggle. You are the problem.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:02 am to bamameister
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As Drew Brees found out in another way, any individual who purposely, or otherwise, misses the point is going to get called out.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:26 am to imjustafatkid
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There is no struggle. You are the problem.
Dude, your emotions hit the room 5 minutes before your brain arrives.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:27 am to imjustafatkid
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This just isn't true. It is absolutely possible to stand up and run away while handcuffed.
How many in the field arrests have you witnessed? Some dude face down on the ground in cuffs cussing and carrying on while surrounded by officers is probably the #1 thing we first see when we arrive at something like a domestic violence call.
If they're laying on the ground in cuffs with the officers standing around they aren't going anywhere. If they try to get up then the officers intervene. If they do somehow manage to get up and run, the chase is very short. In the past it ended with a tackle, today it ends with a tasing.
Take my word or not, but I'm not talking hypotheticals. I'm telling you what I've seen answering EMS calls in what will be 22 years this August.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:45 am to bamameister
You are a problem if you’re trying to justify this mob mentality
They’re willing to tear down Brees despite all the time, money, and effort he was put into the community over the last 1.5 decades. None of that means anything. He didn’t even say he disagreed that there was an issue with inequality. He agreed there was. Last year he knelt with his teammates before the anthem. With the reaction he got, you’d think he said he hates black people.
I get if people think he’s misguided, but these people have the mentality of if you don’t agree with us 100% of the time, we will destroy you. That line of thinking is not right and should not be encouraged.
They’re willing to tear down Brees despite all the time, money, and effort he was put into the community over the last 1.5 decades. None of that means anything. He didn’t even say he disagreed that there was an issue with inequality. He agreed there was. Last year he knelt with his teammates before the anthem. With the reaction he got, you’d think he said he hates black people.
I get if people think he’s misguided, but these people have the mentality of if you don’t agree with us 100% of the time, we will destroy you. That line of thinking is not right and should not be encouraged.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:02 am to 1BamaRTR
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You are a problem if you’re trying to justify this mob mentality
First off, you are struggling mightily in separating protesters and "mob mentality." That would be a "you" problem at this point. The fact that you want to talk about "mobs" and the world is at "protest" is a serious disconnect.
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They’re willing to tear down Brees despite all the time, money, and effort he was put into the community over the last 1.5 decades. None of that means anything. He didn’t even say he disagreed that there was an issue with inequality. He agreed there was. Last year he knelt with his teammates before the anthem. With the reaction he got, you’d think he said he hates black people.
I think Drew Brees is tone-deaf. For a leader of men, and he's had plenty of practice as a starting QB, he failed miserably to read the room of his own players much less why folks are protesting around the world. Which might very well explain why he has been doing the backstroke with the vigor of an Olympic swimmer. Drew would have very little problem reading the locker room right now.
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I get if people think he’s misguided, but these people have the mentality of if you don’t agree with us 100% of the time, we will destroy you. That line of thinking is not right and should not be encouraged.
This is the second time around with this flag thing and what it means to protestors. The climax is much different and has been talked about at length. It is a power struggle after all.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:06 am to JustGetItRight
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How many in the field arrests have you witnessed? Some dude face down on the ground in cuffs cussing and carrying on while surrounded by officers is probably the #1 thing we first see when we arrive at something like a domestic violence call.
If they're laying on the ground in cuffs with the officers standing around they aren't going anywhere. If they try to get up then the officers intervene. If they do somehow manage to get up and run, the chase is very short. In the past it ended with a tackle, today it ends with a tasing.
Take my word or not, but I'm not talking hypotheticals. I'm telling you what I've seen answering EMS calls in what will be 22 years this August.
Hey, I'm not saying there was no better way to handle the situation. The cops clearly screwed this up. I just think it's going to be really hard to convict the guy if he was using legal methods of restraint and Floyd was being violent with the police.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:07 am to bamameister
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bamameister
Yep. You're the problem.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:15 am to imjustafatkid
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Yep. You're the problem.
Is that code for you have no rebuttal? You seem to be repeating yourself a lot these days.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:19 am to bamameister
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First off, you are struggling mightily in separating protesters and "mob mentality." That would be a "you" problem at this point. The fact that you want to talk about "mobs" and the world is at "protest" is a serious disconnect.
You brought up the backlash Brees and that strength coach got. What happened there was mob mentality. Not protests. If you were only talking about protests, then you wouldn’t bring them up.
The fact that you don’t see an issue with trying to suppress other people is concerning. Mob mentality is not ok.
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I think Drew Brees is tone-deaf. For a leader of men, and he's had plenty of practice as a starting QB, he failed miserably to read the room of his own players much less why folks are protesting around the world. Which might very well explain why he has been doing the backstroke with the vigor of an Olympic swimmer. Drew would have very little problem reading the locker room right now.
Yes Brees should have had more common sense BUT that doesn’t justify mob mentality. I have no problem with the players and media personal that took time to put out well thought out response. They acknowledged that they know who Brees really is because of their personal connection. They explained why they thought he was wrong. That’s an appropriate response. That’s how you can get somebody to internally change themselves. Threatening them to change is unlikely to actually get them to change.
What’s not ok, is you telling a guy immediately (and someone know personally) to go screw himself. That is childish. If one of the youngest players on the team (Marcus Davenport) can think clearly about this, then so should 38 year old Malcom Jenkins (initially put out a video rant telling Brees to go screw himself).
What’s funny is not a long while back you were defending China and wishing their tactics of suppressing the virus would happen in the US. Yet here you are talking about police brutality in this thread. There’s some disconnect there you don’t even realize.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:21 am to bamameister
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Is that code for you have no rebuttal? You seem to be repeating yourself a lot these days.
There's no reason to try to rebut someone who thinks standing for the flag is an insult. You're lost. There's no hope for you.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:22 am to 1BamaRTR
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Yes Brees should have had more common sense BUT that doesn’t justify mob mentality. I have no problem with the players and media personal that took time to put out well thought out response. They acknowledged that they know who Brees really is because of their personal connection. They explained why they thought he was wrong. That’s an appropriate response. That’s how you can get somebody to internally change themselves. Threatening them to change is unlikely to actually get them to change.
What’s not is you telling a guy immediately you know personally to go screw himself. That is childish. If the youngest player on the team (Marcus Davenport) can think clearly about this, then so should 38 year old Malcom Jenkins (initially put out a video rant telling Brees to go screw himself).
What’s funny is not a long while back you were defending China and wishing their tactics of suppressing the virus would happen in the US. Yet here you are talking about police brutality in this thread. There’s some disconnect there you don’t even realize.
These morons are doing everything they can to create a large group of disenfranchised people with nothing to lose. They really aren't thinking this through.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:27 am to imjustafatkid
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There's no reason to try to rebut someone who thinks standing for the flag is an insult. You're lost. There's no hope for you.
Reading comprehension just isn't your thing. You couldn't quote me saying that in a million years. What else you got?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:28 am to 1BamaRTR
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The United States women’s national soccer team on Monday called on the United States Soccer Federation to “immediately repeal” a 2017 policy that requires players to “stand respectfully” during the national anthem.
USWNT issued a joint statement from the players asking the federation to repeal the policy that was implemented after U.S. soccer star Megan Rapinoe knelt during the national anthem before her match against the Chicago Red Stars in 2016.
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“We believe the Federation should immediately repeal the ‘Anthem Policy,’ publish a statement acknowledging the policy was wrong when it was adopted and issue an apology to out Black players and supporters,” the statement posted to Twitter read.
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The policy, which was voted on in February 2017, states that "All persons representing a Federation national team shall stand respectfully during the playing of national anthems at any event in which the Federation is represented."
The Federation's board of directors is reportedly set to meet Tuesday to discuss the policy. A vote could come as early as Friday. However, for the decision to become permanent, the board will still have to pass a vote at the annual general meeting next year.
Looks like a good year for me to finally get into bonsai trees after putting it off all these years due to lack of time as this stuff continues to spread like wildfire.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:29 am to bamameister
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Reading comprehension just isn't your thing. You couldn't quote me saying that in a million years. What else you got?
I see. So you agree with the things Drew Brees said and don't think he should have apologized? Got it.
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