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re: Playoff and a few thoughts

Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:03 pm to
I wonder if Barnett would have gotten another shot last year if he would have stayed??
Posted by Bamainva40
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:04 pm to
Let's not go down that road... Barnett quit on his team too
Posted by mistaken4193
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25537 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:05 pm to
Oh I agree...he is a piece of shite.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:05 pm to
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You have been calling for it all year


You guys need to get it right about what I do or don't think or do or don't say. What I have said is that Tagovailoa deserves a chance to prove himself in live games and come in when or if Hurts struggles. In fact, I said just last week, when asked, that I thought that Hurts should start the Auburn game and I hoped he played well but if he struggled, I would hope Tua gets a chance and plays great. I'm not even so inclined to look it up but if it's important to you, it's there.

That said, in the bowl game I would give Tua a lot of playing time and he'd be my first string qb going into the spring because I think he's a better all around qb.
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:06 pm to
So let’s say we do, by some miracle get in and Oklahoma is drumming us midway through the third. Do do pull Hurts? Or do we just keep ridin that horse like we did in Auburn?
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:16 pm to
I disagree, if Tua gave us a better chance to win he would have started this year.

I'm not sure putting Tua in against a hostile auburn environment would have been the answer either the way the game played out. If we were down three score going into the half or something that may have been a good adjustment but going up early in the third quarter and then throwing in a cold qb to try and bring us back in the 4th is a tough call.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 5:21 pm
Posted by crimsontidefan07680
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:31 pm to
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I'm not sure putting Tua in against a hostile auburn environment would have been the answer either the way the game played out. If we were down three score going into the half or something that may have been a good adjustment but going up early in the third quarter and then throwing in a cold qb to try and bring us back in the 4th is a tough call.
This all depends on if u can put any stock in the WR's half a*sing with Hurts at QB. No way of knowing unless the switch actually happened. RTR either way.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:33 pm to
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I don't know about doing Hurts wrong, but it would have been a tough call to pull Hurts this year for an unproven true freshman. I think few coaches would have. Next year, though, is a whole nother matter.



Agree, Huddie
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:34 pm to
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But when I said earlier in the year that Ridley was clearly frustrated with Hurts you told me it wasn't so, and that all was just hunky dory.


They jumped on me as well when I said their was no chemistry between the QB and WRs that something was off.
Posted by Culverhouse13
Birmingham, AL
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:48 pm to
If Tua doesn’t start next year it can only be because he just isn’t good enough (which I don’t think is true)
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:49 pm to
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They jumped on me as well when I said their was no chemistry between the QB and WRs that something was off.



Idk it seemed like the chemistry was just fine the two sec games before yesterday. Everyone was just off yesterday.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:50 pm to
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If Tua doesn’t start next year it can only be because he just isn’t good enough (which I don’t think is true)



Exactly. If Tua is better, then he will win the job. I have no doubt that Saban will play the best player.
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
881 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 5:54 pm to
What’s better

8-12. 103 yards. No tds no int

Or

19-26. 349 yards. 4 tds 2 ints

That’s probably what Saban will have to choose between
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
25537 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:04 pm to
I always feel like our defense is gonna be good enough to get us out of trouble if we turn it over.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26962 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:18 pm to
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I disagree, if Tua gave us a better chance to win he would have started this year.

I'm not sure putting Tua in against a hostile auburn environment would have been the answer either the way the game played out. If we were down three score going into the half or something that may have been a good adjustment but going up early in the third quarter and then throwing in a cold qb to try and bring us back in the 4th is a tough call.



Putting Tua in yesterday, IMO, would have been a bad idea.

However, I have often pointed out that ever since Richard Todd was a sophomore, Bear Bryant played his second string QB just about every 3rd series of every game, come hell or high water. And he had a little success from 1973 on doing it. We had a veteran QB returning to lead us to an undefeated NC in 1979...the only undefeated season of the seventies...yet he was a veteran QB who had never started a college game in his career. And no, there was never a QB controversy or any question who Bryant's starting QB was...but he damn sure had his back up QB seasoned and ready to play in any situation.

Anyone remember who scored the go ahead TD in 4th quarter in the Sugar Bowl against Notre Dame? It wasn't Gary Rutledge.

Whenever I mention this, someone is always quick to make the point that somehow the wishbone offense made things different. bullshite. Regardless of the offense, the QB had to be able to lead his teammates, read the defenses, audible, and execute, on the road, in hostile environments, in pressure packed games. There's no one right or wrong way to coach a team. But yeah, I wish Saban shared Bryant's philosophy on this. I would hate for Tua's first meaningful snap in a big game to be when we're down in the second half in the Iron Bowl next year because Jalen has gone down with an injury.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11836 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:23 pm to
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Idk it seemed like the chemistry was just fine the two sec games before yesterday. Everyone was just off yesterday.


To me it has seemed off all season. In games where Hurts has stepped up it seems the team did not follow. I think it was the MSU game but it seemed Hurts was giving it his all and they let guys come through and hit him as if they gave up. Not saying that actually happen but it was not pretty at times.

Hurts has the ability as a player but does not seem like he has the ability to lead and maybe that is the issue. I love his desire to compete and win but something is missing between him and the rest of the offense. JMO
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:29 pm to
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I would hate for Tua's first meaningful snap in a big game to be when we're down in the second half in the Iron Bowl next year because Jalen has gone down with an injury.




I don't think you'll have to worry about that because I am pretty sure that Tagovailoa would already have transferred long before then.

I suppose after spring practice, Tua and Saban will have at least one good sit down, and discuss it as to where Tua stands. You have to figure that Saban will be honest with the kid, and if Hurts will be the starter going into the first game, I figure Tagovailoa will transfer before the season. Heck, for that matter, Barnett transferred after the 3rd or 4th game last year, and he was granted eligibility for the entire 2017 season. That's the way things are trending anyway.

For the record, I don't think that's going to happen. As I have already said, I think Tua will be the starter next season.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62786 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 6:51 pm to
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Exactly. If Tua is better, then he will win the job. I have no doubt that Saban will play the best player.

I'm not so sure. Saban values, and righfully so, experience and not making mistakes. He's never been a risk taker (onsides kick in the championship game, notwithstanding). By yanking a proven player, it shows signs of desparation. I don't think he'd like that.

My guess is that Jalen will continue to be QB next year with some limited improvement over this year. What Tua does (and ultimately his brother, too) does remains to be seen.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:10 pm to
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By yanking a proven player, it shows signs of desparation.


In what way does that show desperation? I don't think many of them see it in terms of "yanking" one player in favor of another, but it isn't uncommon for one player to replace another.

You think just because it's the quarterback position? Evidently the team is divided about that already. As noted earlier in the season, it's a pretty good bet that Ridley wasn't the only player frustrated and unhappy about things. He was just about the only guy with enough rep to get away with exhibiting it.

The players aren't stupid or blind either and it's a pretty good bet they came to Alabama to win things like national titles. If Tagovailoa is a better qb to lead them, they will follow.

In what way, though, is it a sign of desperation to replace one player with another guy that might improve the team?
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 7:18 pm
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 11/26/17 at 7:21 pm to
If they half assed cause Hurts was in (seems doubtful to me) and it is known, none of them should play on this team.
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