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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:33 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:33 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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ABC 33/40 News
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Safety concerns force shutdown of Etowah Co student meal distribution through April 30. Call 211 if you need assistance.
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:05 pm to The Spleen
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They're not exact comparisons because every situation is different
Neither of those are nearly as contagious as coronavirus and I think developments sped out of control very quickly and got ahead of the governments ability to get ahead of the curve
Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:14 pm to The Spleen
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Preparing for it would have have been obtaining testing kits,
They tried that to a degree. The problem was CDC wanted their own test that they developed, not the ones already available and they botched it. Badly. And then were slow allowing private labs to get involved in the development. The CDC, which we rely on in situations like this, failed.
From the Washington Post:
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 1:15 pm to 14&Counting
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Leada Gore
@LeadaGore
Geneva County, Alabama just listed its first coronavirus case which should make it 67/67 for Alabama counties...but....Perry County is now back to listed as having no cases. Will find out what's up. My guess is someone listed in wrong county but we shall see.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:04 pm to Sauron
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This is disingenuous. China's "cover" wasn't fully blown in early February; in fact, they were still actively withholding information regarding the transmission factors of the disease at that point
Our government was taking it seriously enough by mid January that Homeland Security was screening people coming in from China. And the WHO stated on January 19th that the nature of transmission wasn't conclusive. The world knew about it at that point despite China's initial efforts to quite literally hide from the rest of the world the fact that they had a serious viral outbreak.
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The administration's response to this outbreak has been uneven, no doubt … too relaxed at first, too blunt and overreactive at times afterwards. But I, personally, have no doubt that this global crisis could have been significantly curtailed, if not completely avoided, had China (and possibly WHO) not withheld and suppressed information for as long as they did.
Sure. I have no problems with this reasoning. My issue is with the people who claim that the U.S. response has been brilliant and blame any deficiencies on the Chinese rather than acknowledging that many of our government officials, the President included, continued to downplay the seriousness of the situation well beyond the point that it was obvious to anyone paying much attention that this was more than just another strain of flu.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:34 pm to Cobrasize
Tabloid.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:37 pm to JustGetItRight
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The stay at home order issued by our governor placed not a single new limitation on activities from the 3/27 order other than a 50% reduction in store capacity.
Reduction in store capacity, and the other articles went from recommendations to enforceable law.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:38 pm to phil4bama
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The problem was CDC wanted their own test that they developed, not the ones already available and they botched it. Badly. And then were slow allowing private labs to get involved in the development
The CDC position on test kits was and is very understandable. Some of the kits that were out there were incredibly unreliable. Having said that, I agree completely that they should have been calling on every private asset available to get reliable tests developed here quickly.
Still, I simply don’t think the testing issue had much role in the spread. People are contageous without symptoms and people with symptoms were told to self isolate even before they could get tested. Unless you think you can get 330 million people tested every few days it is going to get in the wild.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:41 pm to Snout Spout
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Reduction in store capacity, and the other articles went from recommendations to enforceable law.
Nope. They were enforceable law on 3/27 and were being enforced by many jurisdictions. The only new enforceable one was the store limit.
No less authority than the state Attorney General made that very point at Ivey’s press conference.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:01 pm to Robot Santa
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Our government was taking it seriously enough by mid January that Homeland Security was screening people coming in from China. And the WHO stated on January 19th that the nature of transmission wasn't conclusive.
Agree, and that's partly what I meant when I said the U.S. administration (or at least parts of it) began acting on the intelligence we had gathered, rather than just depending solely on WHO and China.
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Sure. I have no problems with this reasoning. My issue is with the people who claim that the U.S. response has been brilliant and blame any deficiencies on the Chinese rather than acknowledging that many of our government officials, the President included, continued to downplay the seriousness of the situation ...
Agree with this to an extent as well. The U.S. response can be described as uneven at best; "nothing to worry about" one day, and then "we're all gonna die" a few days later.
I have an admittedly imperfect analogy in my head:
You (the U.S.) get progress reports from your child's teacher (WHO) about how your child is doing. Here's how that timeline would look in this scenario:
January 5
Teacher: Your child is progressing. Struggling a bit with math, but seems to be responding well to instruction.
January 12
Teacher: Your child is doing well.
January 19
Teacher: Not sure your child is fully grasping all the formulas we're using in math, but there's no need for concern.
January 26
Teacher: Your child might need a math tutor, but there's no rush.
February 3
Teacher: Maybe you should look into possibly getting a tutor. I might be able to recommend one, but it's not a big deal.
At this point you decide to hire a tutor despite the teacher's laid-back messages. You discover your child has absolutely no clue about math, and is hopelessly lost.
Early March
The teacher shows up at your door with a mob of other teachers and your neighbors, saying they want to take your child away because you have utterly failed as a parent by not heeding warnings that your child was failing math.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:15 pm to JustGetItRight
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Still, I simply don’t think the testing issue had much role in the spread.
It likely didn't, but the lack of tests certainly contributed to cities and states deciding to issue stay-at-home orders.
This thing was going to get here and spread. There was absolutely no way to avoid that. The federal government wasted a good two months preparing for that inevitability, IMO.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:27 pm to The Spleen
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Georgia Governor Kemp extends state of emergency through May 13th as the state now has over 9901 confirmed cases and over 362 deaths. Kemp says he has also activated the National Guard.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:28 pm to The Spleen
May is shaping up to be a real interesting month. You’ll have a lot of officials hesitant to relax guidelines due to the fear of another spike while a lot people are anxious to get out of the house and get the economy up off the mat.
And if the PPP/Stimulus money is still not totally flowing, then who knows what could happen.
And if the PPP/Stimulus money is still not totally flowing, then who knows what could happen.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:30 pm to Sauron
You don't politically get ahead of a plague. Our generation just got introduced to something when other generations had to simply pucker up and kiss it goodbye.
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans. I still remember old-timers talking about the families they lost and some who had it and were fortunate to survive.
At the time, there were no effective drugs or vaccines to treat this killer flu strain.
Folks were dropping so fast it was impossible to get them underground. Most of us on this site have had grandparents, great grandparents and their families who lived and died through the greatest plague in the history of plagues.
No vaccines made it go away. If it hadn't mysteriously vanished almost as quickly as it came we wouldn't be discussing the Coronavirus now.
It's not political, it's a pandemic. Always unique, always one of a kind. And no human government on record has ever gotten out ahead of one.
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans. I still remember old-timers talking about the families they lost and some who had it and were fortunate to survive.
At the time, there were no effective drugs or vaccines to treat this killer flu strain.
Folks were dropping so fast it was impossible to get them underground. Most of us on this site have had grandparents, great grandparents and their families who lived and died through the greatest plague in the history of plagues.
No vaccines made it go away. If it hadn't mysteriously vanished almost as quickly as it came we wouldn't be discussing the Coronavirus now.
It's not political, it's a pandemic. Always unique, always one of a kind. And no human government on record has ever gotten out ahead of one.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:40 pm to Snout Spout
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Tabloid
Maybe so, but please enlighten us on what was false in the article. Maybe you should start a petition against it
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:41 pm to bamameister
Yea, there isn’t a perfect way to handle this situation.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:45 pm to paperwasp
Per the virus model developed by the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), three states have April 29 as its peak daily death rate, which currently projects as the farthest out in the country:
South Carolina, Rhode Island, and Wyoming
South Carolina, Rhode Island, and Wyoming
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:53 pm to paperwasp
Just keep in mind that site has been as accurate as a magic 8 ball.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:58 pm to JustGetItRight
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ABC 33/40 News
@abc3340
#BREAKING: 22 test positive for COVID-19 at Shelby County nursing home
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:11 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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