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re: OK, So How Do We Fix It?
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:33 pm to GAFF
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:33 pm to GAFF
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So you're suggesting that we contact a coach, that currently has his team competing at the top, about replacing our coach, who has his team competing at the top, and you see nothing wrong with that? Serious question.
Saban doesn't have this Bama team competing "at the top."
And to answer your question, no.
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Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:34 pm to Spread
Gotta believe Greg Byrne is a smart enough man to know he needs to have his plans in order for whenever Saban hangs it up. No question, Saban deserves to leave when he wants (barring complete collapse) but I’d be shocked if Byrne doesn’t already have an idea of who’d come and who he wants.
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:43 pm to Spread
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Saban doesn't have this Bama team competing "at the top."
And to answer your question, no.
Are you serious? We just played for it all last year and up until this game was still in the hunt. How is that not "at the top"? That's actually the very definition of "at the top".
And since you answered "no" let me ask a question. What happens when we contact Dabo and Clemson gets wind of it? What about Saban? What about the recruits that these coaches have been recruiting? You think Clemson is just going to sit back while we try to convince their coach to eventually leave? You think Clemson would allow that kind of negotiation to even happen? This isn't fantasy land where we can walk into any school and do whatever we want and ride off with a coach on our unicorn down the rainbow road. Are you people even thinking before you post this stuff?
Posted on 11/30/19 at 9:49 pm to GAFF
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How is that not "at the top"?
Is Bama in the playoffs THIS YEAR? No, that is how they are "not at the top."
Coaching negotiations are almost continuous and are real world occurrences... you don't think people evaluate and negotiate other jobs on a daily basis? And this is a free country, so yes, Bama CAN talk to Dabo or any other coach deemed worthy of pursuit.
Posted on 11/30/19 at 10:11 pm to Spread
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Is Bama in the playoffs THIS YEAR? No, that is how they are "not at the top."
If you're trying to argue that Bama is not competing at the top of college football I don't know what to tell you. That's the most asinine comment you've made in this thread and while I can see where you're coming from in some of you posts that's a comment that makes me wonder if you're posting out of emotion or actual opinion.
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Coaching negotiations are almost continuous and are real world occurrences... you don't think people evaluate and negotiate other jobs on a daily basis? And this is a free country, so yes, Bama CAN talk to Dabo or any other coach deemed worthy of pursuit.
Of course this is a free country. Bama can do anything it wants but they don't because, again, this isn't a fantasy land. If we were to contact Dabo and Clemson found out either they'd pay him so much we'd never get him or they'd release Dabo on the spot to get ahead and do things on their timeline rather than Dabo's. Surely you don't think Clemson would be ok knowing Dabo will leave when ever Bama tells him to. So when they release Dabo do you fire Saban immediately and hire Dabo or tell him to wait? Neither, because he wouldn't even be entertained by the idea of leaving at the moment. Not because he wouldn't want to but because of what I just said. He knows it's either immediate or not at all.
Posted on 11/30/19 at 10:29 pm to GAFF
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Daboll, albeit not a great coach, but Saban stayed on his arse.
No. Just no. I don't understand how this line gets perpetuated.
Daboll helped win a championship because of his playcalling, doing the same things he had all season long against Georgia in the second half of the championship game. He was hamstrung because of a head coach that insisted on playing an older player that couldn't throw the ball downfield.
Daboll schemed guys open all season long in 2017. In Auburn that year, he had wide receivers streaking open downfield literally all game long. I would argue guy was a better designer/playcaller than Kiffin.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 3:00 am to Spread
I love it how you think you’re being so logical and experienced. “I watched Bama since the 60’s” when you just suggested we move on from fricking Saban
Posted on 12/1/19 at 3:11 am to GAFF
I think it's a simple fix.
I wouldn't fire any defensive positions except DC. I wouldn't promote from within and I would go get the best guy money can buy.
That will give us continuity in recruiting but show the new kids we are actively going about making things better.
I would also serious look at firing Banks our Special Teams coach.
I woukd keep Sark and his offensive staff. Only guy I would look to replace is OL coach Flood.
We don't need crazy changes. We need the right ones. The reality is our offense was beast. Our defense was dead because of injuries and shitty gameplan and play calling. We have the talent, we just need a guy who isn't a moron calling plays.
I wouldn't fire any defensive positions except DC. I wouldn't promote from within and I would go get the best guy money can buy.
That will give us continuity in recruiting but show the new kids we are actively going about making things better.
I would also serious look at firing Banks our Special Teams coach.
I woukd keep Sark and his offensive staff. Only guy I would look to replace is OL coach Flood.
We don't need crazy changes. We need the right ones. The reality is our offense was beast. Our defense was dead because of injuries and shitty gameplan and play calling. We have the talent, we just need a guy who isn't a moron calling plays.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 3:23 am to Teague
You're wrong. Georgia ave up their first rushing TD to AU. Defense is not dead.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 3:51 am to GAFF
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And since you answered "no" let me ask a question. What happens when we contact Dabo and Clemson gets wind of it? What about Saban?
You assume neither of their agents haven't been spoken to on the manner.
Keep in mind that Dabo's agent is based out of Birmingham...
Posted on 12/1/19 at 7:25 am to Teague
quote:This in a nutshell!
So, basically, I don't think we need big changes. It just wasn't our year. I'm not going to melt about 10-2 with two close losses to very good teams. What do people really expect?
What we're seeing now is the worst coming out in Alabama's fan base...and frankly, it's embarrassing.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 7:42 am to coachcrisp
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What we're seeing now is the worst coming out in Alabama's fan base...and frankly, it's embarrassing.
I'm not really embarrassed at all the drama but it is kind of goofy, considering all the injuries this year. I guess that's why I didn't get very upset. After the Tua injury, and the fact we were already a mash unit, playing so many freshmen on defense, I knew there was a good possibility we'd lose. Still, I think we would have won the game had the game been fairly called.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:55 am to John Milner
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We don't need crazy changes. We need the right ones.
I agree with this. The whole thing doesn't need burning down my any means. But changes ARE needed in certain spots and must be addressed. Sooner rather than later. I'd feel more confident if Saban would at least address the issues publicly. Maybe Golding really is going through personal stuff and doesn't want to pile it on the guy so he's keeping it all internal. That's my hope anyways.
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You assume neither of their agents haven't been spoken to on the manner.
I honestly don't think so. Not unless Saban has agreed to it. No way are we going behind Sabans back to inquire about his replacement.
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What we're seeing now is the worst coming out in Alabama's fan base...and frankly, it's embarrassing.
What we're seeing is a fan base that only knows losing 1 game a season and winning championships. Years from now this will be considered the greatest run in college football history. Most of them think this is the norm. I hate to see this place when Saban does retire and we go 9-3 and 10-2 yearly.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:33 am to GAFF
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No Swag Where'd it go? Where are the alphas? Name one player on this team that could "buck up" to McClain, Collins, Barron, etc. I still see Diggs getting dragged 8 yards for a 1st down against LSU. Where are the head hunters? Are we just not recruiting these guys anymore? Are we missing out of them? Is it a coaching philosophy that changed? What happened to making his arse quit? Where is Barrett Jones and McCarron going at it in the 4th quarter of the BCS title game up 28 points because they demanded perfection the entire game? Where the hell did Alabama football go?
This, this, and fricking this.
We've lost that Bama moxy. I'll never forget in 08 playing Va Tech Mike McCoy taking a pass down the sideline and the DB squaring up on him. McCoy knocked his arse 10 yards out of bounds and got the first down.
THAT'S the mentality we've lost as a team. You said it beautifully, there's not a single player on this team that could nut up to Ragland, Ingram, A. Robinson, or any of those other guys. I honestly don't think Diggs could tackle my fat arse.
We've lost our mental edge.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:15 am to BamaBo7
What do Kirby, Pruitt, Cristobal, and Orgron all have in common?
What is the kingpin of the Alabama defensive system?
What position(s) does the Kingpin/Alpha dog typically play at Alabama?
Saban is usually pretty good at identifying the guy in each class that is likely to be the Alpha Dog on his defense. Kirby, Pruitt, And Cristobal have each managed to slip in and grab THE GUY Saban wanted as his Alpha on the defense.
Were games played to get those guys? Were additional incentives offered? I do not know, I have no insight. All I do know is the Kirby (Dean), Pruitt (To'oto'o), and Cristobal (Thibs) managed to take The Guys that had been identified as the Alphas Saban wanted. This year Orgeron is attempting to do the same thing (Kennedy/Webb).
If your defense has a killer attitude deficiency, you need an Alpha in the middle. He sets the tone and the direction for the entire defense. We have missed 6/7 likely Alphas in the last 4 years... it shows. Orgeron is attempting to take 2 more.
No need to ask what is missing on the defense. Coaching may not be ideal but we are missing the Jimmies and the Joes that make the rest of the guys work as a unit. Without a true alpha, the rest of the guys tend to do their own thing rather than act as a single cohesive unit.
What is the kingpin of the Alabama defensive system?
What position(s) does the Kingpin/Alpha dog typically play at Alabama?
Saban is usually pretty good at identifying the guy in each class that is likely to be the Alpha Dog on his defense. Kirby, Pruitt, And Cristobal have each managed to slip in and grab THE GUY Saban wanted as his Alpha on the defense.
Were games played to get those guys? Were additional incentives offered? I do not know, I have no insight. All I do know is the Kirby (Dean), Pruitt (To'oto'o), and Cristobal (Thibs) managed to take The Guys that had been identified as the Alphas Saban wanted. This year Orgeron is attempting to do the same thing (Kennedy/Webb).
If your defense has a killer attitude deficiency, you need an Alpha in the middle. He sets the tone and the direction for the entire defense. We have missed 6/7 likely Alphas in the last 4 years... it shows. Orgeron is attempting to take 2 more.
No need to ask what is missing on the defense. Coaching may not be ideal but we are missing the Jimmies and the Joes that make the rest of the guys work as a unit. Without a true alpha, the rest of the guys tend to do their own thing rather than act as a single cohesive unit.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:20 am to bamarep
Fans want to know what is missing, that is it. He summed it up perfectly.
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