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Posted on 8/22/18 at 3:41 am to JustGetItRight
He is the goat but he decided to lose the Auburn game last year by sticking with Hurts. His receivers and likely the entire offense wanted Tua. He made a bad decision so we worry that history will repeat itself. If you guys aren't worried or if you will be ok with Hurts starting then go for it. Do you. You certainly thought Hurts was a game changer last year. Saban has proven to me that he is prone to mismanaging the quarterback situation so I am worried about it.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:56 am to Commander Data
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Saban has proven to me that he is prone to mismanaging the quarterback situation
You should sit down with him and tell him these things. With your football IQ and overall knowledge concerning what's best for the team, I'm sure he will offer you a job as an analyst or an offensive play caller. Commander Data was present at every practice, saw the QBs take every rep, and knew early on that Tua would perform just as well in a full game time situation as he did against already beaten teams in garbage time.
This despite the fact that Saban has said on numerous occasions that Tua didn't begin to separate himself until bowl preparation in December. But what does he know?! Commander Data has YouTube and Marquis Maze dropping knowledge bombs for him!
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:01 am to RollTide1987
Let's say they both play against Louisville. If Tua is what we think he is, and Hurts has made no significant improvements for a second offseason in a row, it'll be really obvious and the "competition" will be over then if it isn't already.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:05 am to Bear88
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Coach K on twitter who goes to scrimmages
I have to question his either going to scrimmages, his sources, his agenda, or his eye sight. I was at the last scrimmage and "Coach K" tweeted out that Jalen had thrown a Pick 6 and that it was Josh Jobe that returned it. When in fact, Jalen didn't throw a pick, no picks were thrown. But in fact, Braxton Barker and the 7th or 8th RB fumbled an exchange and Jobe scooped it up and returned it to around the 5, because Barker ran him down and forced him out there.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:14 am to Robot Santa
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Robot Santa
Except by most accounts, Louisville doesn't have a very good defense. That's when Jalen nearly always (nearly?) struggles. Well, if you ignore the fact that receivers have to adjust to most of the passes he does complete.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:18 am to RollTide1987
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Marquis Maze dropping knowledge bombs
I don't know for sure if it's Maze, but not all of us had to watch those videos, and have been saying the same things as far back as 2016. It just wasn't a popular opinion till we lost to Auburn.
Check that. It's not opinion. It's a fact that Hurts is a liability in nearly every facet except with his legs, and even that hurts the team in the long run by taking away from the running backs, making our offense predictable, and even impacting recruiting. These aren't new observations.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 7:22 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:26 am to GDOAT
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If Tua hasn't separated himself yet from Jalen then we might have some real concerns...I just find it hard to believe...
I’m firmly of the opinion Tua is the better QB and will at some point lock down the starting job. But Jalen is not chopped liver like so many of you seem to believe. 26-2 and took Bama to back-to-back title games. Don’t give me the shite about how your grandmother could win with Bama’s talent. While not as good of a passer as AJ, Jalen’s record as a starter is comparable. He’s a hell of a competitor and the competition will benefit both QB’s.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:42 am to UAgrad93
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I have to question his either going to scrimmages, his sources, his agenda, or his eye sight. I was at the last scrimmage and "Coach K" tweeted out that Jalen had thrown a Pick 6 and that it was Josh Jobe that returned it. When in fact, Jalen didn't throw a pick, no picks were thrown. But in fact, Braxton Barker and the 7th or 8th RB fumbled an exchange and Jobe scooped it up and returned it to around the 5, because Barker ran him down and forced him out there.
Most insiders are not really “insiders.” Especially the ones who seem to relish the attention. Most posts are usually a kernel of information wrapped by a bunch of vague statements and info cobbled together from other sites in order to create the illusion of inside status.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 7:52 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 7:44 am to samson73103
One thing I've noticed since 2007 is that Nick Saban feels zero obligation to tell us anything about how players are doing. Sometimes he throws a compliment in there if he thinks the guy needs to be encouraged but otherwise nothing. Case in point Roy Upchurch in 09, that previous spring he suggested he wouldn't even make the travel squad that fall, he said nothing about him all fall and then he opens the season as the 3rd down back, caught the winning TD against Auburn and was the hammer they pounded Texas with down the stretch. If the QB decision was long over he would not feel any inclination to tell any of us. As for winning the team, you have a lot of personalities on a team but they all have one goal. The guy that is going to make it happen is the one who wins the team. Coker was not good at giving speeches but against Ole Miss he proved he's the one who had the juice. I think Tua has already showed he has the juice
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:06 am to Commander Data
Saban has proven to me that he is prone to mismanaging the quarterback situation so I am worried about it.
Based on a quarter season towards the end of last year in which Alabama still once the championship. This time frame, over a 10+ year career at bama, is enough for you to say he is "prone" to mismanaging the qb position?
That is just insane.
Based on a quarter season towards the end of last year in which Alabama still once the championship. This time frame, over a 10+ year career at bama, is enough for you to say he is "prone" to mismanaging the qb position?
That is just insane.
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:06 am to John Milner
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Except by most accounts, Louisville doesn't have a very good defense. That's when Jalen nearly always (nearly?) struggles. Well, if you ignore the fact that receivers have to adjust to most of the passes he does complete.
Are you too stupid to understand the contradiction here or are you just so dedicated to your shtick that it doesn't even matter to you? If Jalen is making poor throws or the wrong reads, the coaches will know it even if the results aren't bad because of the quality of the defense we are facing.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:07 am to FairhopeTider
quote:I agree! I don't claim to be an "insider" by any means. It just irritates me when people put out some false information to fit their agenda. Don't bring politics into my sport!! LOL
FairhopeTider
I was a walk on A LONG time ago and last year, I started attending the last scrimmage of fall camp. I took CNS at his word when he said not to divulge any information. I bit my tongue when reading some of the comments. Sadly, when I got home, there were already hundreds of comments on the interwebs about the scrimmage, many with their own little take of how the QB battle was played out. Someone even posted that they saw Christopher Allen go down with his injury!!! He didn't even dress because he was already hurt. I guess some people just need that gratification from others telling them how much they appreciate the information when in fact, there lies A LOT of half truths and lies.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:12 am to Robot Santa
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Are you too stupid to understand the contradiction here or are you just so dedicated to your shtick that it doesn't even matter to you?
Are you too ignorant to debate a point without personal attacks?
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If Jalen is making poor throws or the wrong reads, the coaches will know it even if the results aren't bad because of the quality of the defense we are facing.
You have seen these "poor throws" and "wrong reads" for 2 years now. Yes? Then if you know, if I know, then the coaches have certainly known, and it's just a little bit possible that's why the offensive coordinator wanted to start Tua at least by the Auburn game. I don't know why Saban doesn't trust the offensive coordinators that he hires and pays good money to run the offense.
So this is the comment about which you flipped out? Seems fairly innocuous, but whatever. I wasn't even disagreeing with you but just elaborating on the point....
"Except by most accounts, Louisville doesn't have a very good defense. That's when Jalen nearly always (nearly?) struggles. Well, if you ignore the fact that receivers have to adjust to most of the passes he does complete."
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 8:24 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:40 am to UAgrad93
Well since you have actually been to a scrimmage(s), who do you think has had the better fall camp?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:19 am to Bear88
This post is at no one in particular:
I got an email from one of my insiders, and TIFWIW, but he's indicating that the QB battle may be a closer battle than many think. He indicated that it's related to Jalen operating the offense more smoothly overall than Tua, and that Tua in the last scrimmage made some costly errors (taking a safety, another big sack, and a few near picks).
A summary of his comments would be that Tua seperated himself a bit after scrimmage 1, which lit a fire under Jalen, and then Jalem comes back with a really nice scrimmage 2. He wasn't saying that Jalen outplayed Tua per se, but that Jalen tossed it around pretty good without the same negatives. He mentioned that Tua is a high risk, high reward guy - Jalen is better than last year, but no, he can't make some throws that Tua can. However, Jalen doesn't present the same level of risk. The question is which Saban will value more.
Again, these are not my words. I'm only relaying the words of a very connected fellow. For what it's worth, it was a long email, and the non-QB stuff seemed right on the money with other stuff I've heard. I don't know if that lends credence to the QB stuff, but it certainly fits the narrative of a continuing QB battle.
However, definitely TIFWIW.
I got an email from one of my insiders, and TIFWIW, but he's indicating that the QB battle may be a closer battle than many think. He indicated that it's related to Jalen operating the offense more smoothly overall than Tua, and that Tua in the last scrimmage made some costly errors (taking a safety, another big sack, and a few near picks).
A summary of his comments would be that Tua seperated himself a bit after scrimmage 1, which lit a fire under Jalen, and then Jalem comes back with a really nice scrimmage 2. He wasn't saying that Jalen outplayed Tua per se, but that Jalen tossed it around pretty good without the same negatives. He mentioned that Tua is a high risk, high reward guy - Jalen is better than last year, but no, he can't make some throws that Tua can. However, Jalen doesn't present the same level of risk. The question is which Saban will value more.
Again, these are not my words. I'm only relaying the words of a very connected fellow. For what it's worth, it was a long email, and the non-QB stuff seemed right on the money with other stuff I've heard. I don't know if that lends credence to the QB stuff, but it certainly fits the narrative of a continuing QB battle.
However, definitely TIFWIW.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:24 am to prevatt33
A couple of accounts I saw posted on BOL by guys who saw the 2nd scrimmage said Jalen connected on some nice throws when the primary target was open, but otherwise would bail out of the pocket and run if he had an opening or else throw it out of bounds. In other words his passing was improved moreso than his ability to quickly and effectively work through progressions when the fur is flying.
A BOL "insider" (connections) -- "Tua is qb1 and there legit is no debate. I’ve talked with several ppl and idc what any rec member is saying. The staff and players have long known Tua is qb1, and they’re only trying to find a role or how big of a role Jalen will have."
A BOL "insider" (connections) -- "Tua is qb1 and there legit is no debate. I’ve talked with several ppl and idc what any rec member is saying. The staff and players have long known Tua is qb1, and they’re only trying to find a role or how big of a role Jalen will have."
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 9:30 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:35 am to TidalSurge1
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A couple of accounts I saw posted on BOL by guys who saw the 2nd scrimmage said Jalen connected on some nice throws when the primary target was open, but otherwise would bail out of the pocket and run if he had an opening or else throw it out of bounds. In other words his passing was improved moreso than his ability to quickly and effectively work through progressions when the fur is flying.
A BOL "insider" (connections) -- "Tua is qb1 and there legit is no debate. I’ve talked with several ppl and idc what any rec member is saying. The staff and players have long known Tua is qb1, and they’re only trying to find a role or how big of a role Jalen will have."
I totally get it and I hope Tua is QB1. I was only sharing the info from an email I received. I, prevatt33, have been nowhere near Tuscaloosa during Fall Camp, and my previous post did not reflect my personal opinion in any way.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:40 am to prevatt33
However, judging from multiple people downvoting a person who's taking time out of their day to share info from very well-connected sources, perhaps not sharing is the thing to do. Maybe I'll do that from now on.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:48 am to prevatt33
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However, judging from multiple people downvoting a person who's taking time out of their day to share info from very well-connected sources, perhaps not sharing is the thing to do. Maybe I'll do that from now on.
Idk why your post is getting downvotes, but it does appear to have a couple of weaknesses:
(1) The email about the QBs' performances seems to be an observer's subjective opinion.
(2) You sort of posted your own conclusive summary of the email instead of posting the contents of the email.
His opinion seems to be that Jalen is the lower risk QB. My opinion is that the non-productive offense we get with Jalen vs good defenses is much riskier than the productive offense we get with Tua. Exhibit A: National Title game.
Imo, the decision of who will be Bama's #1 QB going forward is pretty much a no-brainer. That's why I haven't fretted about it and why I've wasted very little time getting involved in the emotional hand-wringing debates about it.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 12:44 pm
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