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Posted on 7/4/20 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75837 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 2:28 pm to
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Where's an admin? Need to lock this thread down if it's going to devolve into finger pointing and name calling. Especially when this started over the senseless death of a young child. The politics of the situation aren't very important in the grand scheme of things. Killing innocent people HAS TO STOP! Period!


We're here and monitoring the thread. If someone gets too far out of line they'll be dealt with.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75837 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 2:30 pm to
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YStar


Man you sure are throwing out that "hate" word a lot when no one has even remotely said anything like that.

Calm down, dude.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 3:38 pm to
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Man you sure are throwing out that "hate" word a lot when no one has even remotely said anything like that.

Calm down, dude.


I am very calm.

For starters we're not children, we are all smart enough to realize feelings can be insinuated... they don't have to spelled out.

Secondly, it says everything that you find an issue with me for saying people shouldn't look so negatively on their fellow man because their skin color is different; yet have said nothing to condemn some of the strong bias slants which have been posted on here.

I will repeat, I am glad Saban is the representative of the team and not some of our intolerant fanbase.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted by paul02085
Shelby, Al (Lay Lake)
Member since Sep 2006
1325 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 3:48 pm to
Some people just cannot stand the truth. Too bad.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 4:06 pm to
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I am not forcing anything, that is you guys attempting to force this notion that because someone is black they are lesser than, a problem or a criminal.

I don't even believe in force. Even Jesus Christ didn't force himself on others he wanted people to choose to believe in him.

Then again Jesus would never condone hating your fellow man because they were born with more melanin in their skin and always told us all to first love God and then our neighbor.


This is kind of all over the place.

No one that I can see is attempting to force any opinions at all that says blacks are less than, problems or criminals.

Statistics may state that black men commit violent crimes at 6x their population levels, but no one is saying that all blacks are criminals or that they are less than or that they are problems. That is putting words into people's mouths that just aren't there. It is impugning people's motives. Those things are wrong Biblically and rationally.

As far as Jesus forcing Himself on people, I'm not sure where that comes into things, but you're right he doesn't force Himself on people, even though He is 100% correct in His rightness and in truth. "Though He knew no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth, when He was reviled He did not revile, when He suffered He did not utter threats, but continued to entrust Himself to Him who judges justly." He will, however, judge all men by the truth and on that day "every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord."

As far as Jesus condoning hatred of fellow man because the were born with more melanin in their skin, I couldn't agree more. In fact, He would not have us hate our fellow man for any reason. If you have hated others in your heart you are guilty of murder. This is a stark challenge for us all.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
3294 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 4:14 pm to
Antifa and BLM are domestic terrorist groups. Plain and simple. They're trying to overthrow our government like other communist revolutions of the past. As you said, the terrifying part is that the media is making them out to be peaceful. Anyone who is involved with them, whether they be money donation people or activists, should be tried for treason. They're bullies who use intimidation and violence to censor their rivals.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 4:17 pm
Posted by calgrad
Westlake Village, CA
Member since Dec 2018
106 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 4:22 pm to
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the subset seems to be doing a lot of the talking when that subset is responsible for an inordinate amount of violent crime

Wrong. You base your opinion on what you see on TV, not on facts.

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Then you guys sit around and wonder why the cops are racist


To whom are you referring with "you guys?" Now you speak for the police, too?

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And BTW if you want to debate statistics you damn well know that deaths of blacks at the hand of police is statistically infinitesimal


Once again, you're full of shite. Find anything that I have written about police being a substantial portion of the culprits of black violence rather than a vestige of the problem. You are hell bent on arguing a point that I did not make. Unfortunately, your riposte was for naught.

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I guess i missed all the protest and looting over 70 shot just in Chicago just last week.


You have a narrative to push. Therefore, you deliberately blind yourself to truths that do not make your point salient.

Chicagoans Protest Gun Violence

You Are Blinded by Your Hatred

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But hey, lets go tear down another statue and loot a Target that will solve it.


People of all shapes, sizes, and colors are committing these crimes.

Don't Let the Facts Get in Your Way

Try Again Moron

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What you view is bigotry is simply calling out the hypocrisy.


I call out stupidity!

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BLM is a flat-out racist organization.


I don't support BLM, and I don't give a shite about their movement. Once again, you have painted all black people with your bigotry brush. Go read my post history, clown. I wear my views and thoughts, proudly, on my sleeve.

Son of a military officer.
Grandson of a man that helped build railroads.
Nephew of a world famous musician
Former D1 Athlete (cut during training camp from the NFL)
3 College Degrees (BS Finance, Minor in Mathematics, MS, Quantitative Finance, MBA Management) Part of Leadership at a Major Biopharmaceutical Corporation
Proud advocate for people (rehabbed homes, mentored felons, taught GED classes at battered women's shelter, youth mentor)
PROUD FATHER and UNCLE

Quit while you're behind, because, I am what your writing has led me to believe that you think does not exist. A proud African American that supports people of all demographics that are living their life, and not looking to hurt others. I'll either help you or get out of the way.

You need to grow up!
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 4:57 pm
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75837 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 4:23 pm to
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For starters we're not children, we are all smart enough to realize feelings can be insinuated... they don't have to spelled out.


Who are you referring to?

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Secondly, it says everything that you find an issue with me for saying people shouldn't look so negatively on their fellow man because their skin color is different; yet have said nothing to condemn some of the strong bias slants which have been posted on here.


I don't have an issue with you saying that. My issue is you insisting members of this board HATE people based on their skin color. No one has said that and if they had they wouldn't be able to post here anymore.

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I will repeat, I am glad Saban is the representative of the team and not some of our intolerant fanbase.


Good.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17873 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 4:32 pm to
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So dude was just so happen to be carrying a gun on himself?

Believe it or not, plenty of non drug dealer folks carry a gun... regardless of skin color.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 4:36 pm to
Calgrad, I'm not clear on your point. I know you to be a very reasonable man. So, here is my confusion with part of your position and I hope you will take a moment to clarify.

A small subset of the population is indeed responsible for a large part of the crimes committed. This would be straight from the FBI crime statistics. Blacks make up around 12-13% of the population. Males would consist of around 6%. However, they commit, if I recall correctly 42% of violent crimes. Perhaps they aren't responsible for a majority of violent crimes, but they would certainly be responsible for a disproportionate amount.

Were you arguing against this?

Thanks
Posted by calgrad
Westlake Village, CA
Member since Dec 2018
106 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 4:47 pm to
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A small subset of the population is indeed responsible for a large part of the crimes committed


My point is that AA subset that has chosen to commit violent crimes and the BLM do not speak for the majority of black people. 14&Counting is attempting to portray all black lives through the clouded lens of what the media has decided to show. The majority of AA are law abiding citizens that have chosen to take of their families, the best way that they know how. I'll be damned if I stand by and allow someone to convict an entire population based upon their presumptuous ignorance.

Wrong is wrong. I do not support criminals of any color.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37585 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:03 pm to
I don't give a frick about your resume dude

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Wrong. You base your opinion on what you see on TV, not on facts.



you sure about that?......

LINK /

LINK


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You have a narrative to push. Therefore, you deliberately blind yourself to truths that do not make your point salient.


I am not pushing a narrative. I am calling out the hypocrisy and utter failure of the black political leadership and this current movement, the so-called Black Lives Matter, movement for their abject failure in addressing the systemic problems in black America because it ain't white supremacy. Newsflash its 2020 and not 1950's Mississippi. I haven't heard one goddamn word uttered or any sort of balanced analysis of regarding the causation of these problems. I have heard lot about systemic racism being the fault of white people going back to the time of Christopher Columbus and the Conquistadors but not a word on the genocide that takes place in our major cities. I am guessing the race pimps like Sharpton and BLM are too busy cashing checks and don't want to frick up a good thing with all this white guilt. You finding some lame arse article doesn't change that.

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Quit while you're behind, because, I am what your writing has led me to believe that you think does not exist. A proud African American that supports people of all demographics that is living their life, and not looking to hurt others. I'll either help you or get out of the way.


WTF are you talking about "painting everyone with the same brush"? Where have I done that? Do honestly think that I paint 44 million people withe same brush? You are uncomfortable with the truth of the hypocrisy of the current narrative and uncomfortable with the facts that black America's problem is a the end of the day, the responsibility of black America to solve.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 5:05 pm
Posted by jatebe
Queen of Links
Member since Oct 2008
18275 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:04 pm to
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Where's an admin?
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We're here and monitoring the thread.



I didn't mean for this thread to turn political or racist. I merely posted the sad news about a young life that was ended before he had even lived.

Can people not just feel sorry for the young boy and his family and pray for them.

Posted by calgrad
Westlake Village, CA
Member since Dec 2018
106 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:11 pm to
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WTF are you talking about "painting everyone with the same brush"? Where have I done that?


The basis of your argument is you painting an entire race based upon the BLM movement. Go back and read your posts. You are, either, woefully ignorant or purposely blind. You continue to argue points that I am not making. I'm not going back and forth with you, any longer. You're a clown and wasting my time.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 5:26 pm
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:15 pm to
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My point is that AA subset that has chosen to commit violent crimes and the BLM do not speak for the majority of black people. 14&Counting is attempting to portray all black lives through the clouded lens of what the media has decided to show. The majority of AA are law abiding citizens that have chosen to take of their families, the best way that they know how. I'll be damned if I stand by and allow someone to convict an entire population based upon their presumptuous ignorance.

Wrong is wrong. I do not support criminals of any color.



Gotcha!

As far as your statement that BLM does not speak for the majority of blacks, are you basing that on anecdotal evidence or on some sort of factual poling numbers?

I would certainly be very pleased to learn that the majority of blacks do not agree with the BLM's stated goals. I have heard, anecdotally, that many of BLM's positions and even those of the Democrat party are very antithetical to some core beliefs within the black population. For instance, support for abortion, feminism and LGBT issues. I might be tempted to agree, but I certainly don't have the hard evidence to argue the matter. Often, I've thought something was the case only to find out that my perspectives were too limited.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37585 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:21 pm to
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The basis of your argument is you painting an entire race based upon the BLM movement.


Ummm no...that is you projecting your own issues onto me and this into this debate because you really just don't want to hear about it.

Look you seem like a solid dude and don't want to create an environment where people are antagonized and don't want to post. So I am just going to step out of this thread.

Enjoy your 4th
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:21 pm to
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Who are you referring to?


You have read the previous pages and the previous threads on this... I know you're smart enough to deduce as well.

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I don't have an issue with you saying that. My issue is you insisting members of this board HATE people based on their skin color. No one has said that and if they had they wouldn't be able to post here anymore.


It's incredible you think someone has to spell out their feelings and can't describe or walk around how they feel.

It's heavily insinuated is some posters words and it's quite obvious.

What gets me is you only seem to have a problem when all I have ever done is say people need to not be so negative against black people. Smh, seriously.
Posted by calgrad
Westlake Village, CA
Member since Dec 2018
106 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:23 pm to
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basing that on anecdotal evidence


It's anecdotal. The majority of black people with whom I interact, hates the BLM movement. You would be surprised to find that the opinion of most blacks about Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Farrakhan, and others that preach divisiveness are negative. As I stated, previously, most black citizens are looking to live their life, positively. Unfortunately, black people doing great things for their families and communities is not good for political fodder. The money for doing good at home is far outpaced by the money that follows racial strife, economic inequality, black-on-violence, etc. It is rare to see positive stories involving black people because that does not get someone elected or a show on MSNBC, Fox News, or CNN.

I'll add this: BLM does not speak for all black people similar to the way that the KKK does not speak for all white people, etc.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 5:28 pm
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:23 pm to
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What gets me is you only seem to have a problem when all I have ever done is say people need to not be so negative against black people. Smh, seriously.


I don't think this is truly ALL you've said, is it?

You've made some statements that went a ways beyond that.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 5:29 pm to
I appreciate that. Did you know that Thomas Sowell, over at Stanford, couldn't even give out his address? He doesn't even have his name on his office. That is how badly he is treated for daring to not toe the line.

Any idea why more of the black community does not just stand up and tell the dividers and the destroyers to shut up and go away? It seems that this would be a very helpful and productive thing. In my limited perspective, most whites will bend over backwards to help young blacks who want to get ahead.
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