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re: Mac was the Guy that was going to screw everything up at QB
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:59 am to Bham Bammer
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:59 am to Bham Bammer
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I think Mac, had he needed to play, probably would have been very good in 2019. He made some mistakes against AU
The second pick was just a bad call based on what happen in that series..we had just gotten a roughing the passer and a new set of downs..The Sark this yr would have used Najee inside running rather than that tendency of play action on first down inside the 10 he had..
I cant say Mac would have won the natty, but I was impressed how well he played in that Iron bowl..
Had we won the game like we should have you don't know if it would have given him more confidence with a playoff shot..Looking at how well he played this yr, who knows..!I do know LSU did not want to see us again..But as somebody said best Example of the Process and will be valuable for recruiting over the next 3-4 yrs
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:02 am to 1ManWolfPack
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but we are a better team with a QB like a McCarron/Jones type than a "gun slinger"
I disagree with this characterization. AJ was a pretty conservative player. Mac is....not. There's a wide spectrum between "game manager" and "makes Favre look like he gave a shite about ball security".
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:03 am to 1ManWolfPack
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i still believe strongly - even more so after this Natty - but we are a better team with a QB like a McCarron/Jones type than a "gun slinger". Bama is best when balanced, not Air Bama
People need to stop comparing McCarron and Jones. I know it’s mostly LSU fans trying to call Jones a game manager, but they’re not alike. McCarron played in a completely different offense.
You mentioned not Air Bama but Bama has been near the top in nation in the passing offense every year for the past 3 years. Meanwhile this cannot be said the same for the rushing offense. Alabama is a passing team. Under McCarron it was the exact opposite. Najee may get a decent amount of carries but Bama isn’t running the ball as much as they used to.
You also mentioned the NCG but Jones had 35 passing attempts in the first half alone against OSU. Jones and McCarron are alike in that they played it safe more so then a guy like Tua. They are also pure pocket passers, and not as injury prone. But Mac has more in common with Tua otherwise. They both throw the ball a lot, are the focal point of the offense, and take a ton of deep shots. None of those applied to McCarron.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:04 am to Robot Santa
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I disagree with this characterization. AJ was a pretty conservative player. Mac is....not. There's a wide spectrum between "game manager" and "makes Favre look like he gave a shite about ball security".
Yea I was gonna say, I'd firmly put Mac in the gunslinger category.
However, I do agree with the point that we are at our best when we are balanced and can truly run the football when we want to - which is the biggest and best change from the straight RPO scheme of Locks to the Pro Style/RPO mesh style of Sark. But by balance, I mean the ability to do both, not necessarily a 50/50 split of run and pass. If the defense takes one away, you do the other, and you are comfortable doing it.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:04 am to 1ManWolfPack
Mac threw for 4500 yards and 41 touchdowns in only 13 games. He definitely aired it out. And I don't know who you watched play QB this year but Mac is definitely a gunslinger.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:04 am to RiverCityTider
Just goes to show we should trust in the coaches ability to evaluate the players and make the best decision for the team.
Our perceived conclusions of team chemistry, emotions and motivations are based on gut feeling inferences as applied to extremely limited information.
Our perceived conclusions of team chemistry, emotions and motivations are based on gut feeling inferences as applied to extremely limited information.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:06 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Our perceived conclusions of team chemistry, emotions and motivations are based on gut feeling inferences as applied to extremely limited information.
So true - same with coaches.
We know so very little - probably less in the grand scheme of things than any sport.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:12 am to Robot Santa
I honestly think it had less to do with Mac's ability as a player and more the hype and high school film of Young. I don't think anyone thought Mac couldn't be a good QB and win us games, I just think they thought Young would be even better. Small distinction but still. Also the biggest improvement Mac made between last year and this one was on obvious passing downs. He was really not good last season when it was an obvious passing situation.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:13 am to RollTide33
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Also the biggest improvement Mac made between last year and this one was on obvious passing downs. He was really not good last season when it was an obvious passing situation.
Yep - that was my biggest concern
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:14 am to Sneaky__Sally
Mac is a 1st round QB. He is not another McCarron.
Mac is the most accurate passer in College Football History accordingly to completion percentage.
Mac is the most accurate passer in College Football History accordingly to completion percentage.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
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However, I do agree with the point that we are at our best when we are balanced and can truly run the football when we want to - which is the biggest and best change from the straight RPO scheme of Locks to the Pro Style/RPO mesh style of Sark. But by balance, I mean the ability to do both, not necessarily a 50/50 split of run and pass. If the defense takes one away, you do the other, and you are comfortable doing it.
That's ideal for any team though. I wouldn't say that's limited to just us. The downfall of the Locks RPO All Day Erry Day system was that Tua isn't a runner. He can scramble when necessary, but Lamar Jackson he is not. Going pure RPO with a QB who is never going to threaten the DE with keeping the ball and running into the 6 yard wide hole he just vacated isn't going to work against a defensive front that can take the interior runs away with just their linemen, which we learned all too well late in the season. There's a reason Jalen tore UGA up in that offense.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:18 am to Robot Santa
Agreed - which is why our team, with our talent level, should almost always have that ability to do both equally well.
Some years we will be better in one area than the other based on personnel, but we should always have some level of ability to comfortably throw the ball against run looks or smash in situations where we need to smash.
Those 2 things plus explosiveness seem to be the 3 things that Saban values most - which is good because they are 3 of the most important aspects of offensive football.
Some years we will be better in one area than the other based on personnel, but we should always have some level of ability to comfortably throw the ball against run looks or smash in situations where we need to smash.
Those 2 things plus explosiveness seem to be the 3 things that Saban values most - which is good because they are 3 of the most important aspects of offensive football.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think that is probably why Saban is now focusing on bringing in OCs who have a lot of NFL roots. The NFL is a passing league, but the concepts they use are also just significantly more advanced and conducive to adjustment and adaptation.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:24 am to Robot Santa
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I think that is probably why Saban is now focusing on bringing in OCs who have a lot of NFL roots. The NFL is a passing league, but the concepts they use are also just significantly more advanced and conducive to adjustment and adaptation.
Yep - also, we have a base playbook that any OC coming in will work from, and it is very much based in the modern NFL pro style/RPO mesh scheme. And then you let the guy who comes in mold it into what he likes and add to it.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:13 pm to RiverCityTider
He became one of my favorites. And I say that as someone who melted hard during last year's Iron Bowl. 
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:23 pm to RiverCityTider
I mean it was apparent to anyone who watched him last year (and has half of a brain cell) that he was going to be just fine. Not his fault we have some of the dumbest fans
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I believe Mac Jones would have been great before a lot of you think. Remember the a-day game after the 2nd & 26 game, Mac outplayed Jalen, & the gap was pretty huge.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:42 pm to RiverCityTider
Some on here were saying BY was going to win the qb job. After last year I knew Mac was the man.
He showed toughness, understanding of the game, and if you go back you can see some of throws We'd see this year. I for one thought he was going to be good.
He showed toughness, understanding of the game, and if you go back you can see some of throws We'd see this year. I for one thought he was going to be good.
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