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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:09 am
Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:09 am
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But the 27-20 overtime loss to Michigan in the CFP semifinal at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1 was a hard one for Saban to digest. Not only was Saban upset about the way his team played, he was especially disheartened about some of the things that happened afterward -- in the Rose Bowl locker room and back on campus when he met with some of the players.

"I want to be clear that wasn't the reason, but some of those events certainly contributed," Saban said of his decision to retire. "I was really disappointed in the way that the players acted after the game. You gotta win with class. You gotta lose with class. We had our opportunities to win the game and we didn't do it, and then showing your arse and being frustrated and throwing helmets and doing that stuff ... that's not who we are and what we've promoted in our program."

Once back in Tuscaloosa, as Saban began meeting with players, it became even more apparent to him that his message wasn't resonating like it once did.

"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?" Saban recounted. "Our program here was always built on how much value can we create for your future and your personal development, academic success in graduating and developing an NFL career on the field.

"So I'm saying to myself, 'Maybe this doesn't work anymore, that the goals and aspirations are just different and that it's all about how much money can I make as a college player?' I'm not saying that's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying that's never been what we were all about, and it's not why we had success through the years."

Saban had also grown weary of churning through assistant coaches every year. For example, Tommy Rees, who was hired during the 2023 offseason, was Saban's seventh offensive coordinator in the past 11 years, and on occasion, there were nearly entire overhauls. After the 2018 season, seven assistants left for other jobs. Saban could tell that his age was becoming a factor in hiring coaches.

"People wanted assurances that I was going to be here for three or four years, and it became harder to make those assurances," Saban said. "But the thing I loved about coaching the most was the relationships that you had with players, and those things didn't seem to have the same meaning as they once did."

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Posted by Crimson77
Member since Dec 2019
774 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:28 am to
I think among other things, seeing a kid like Caleb Downs, who in previous years would have been a Saban darling, behave in the way that he did post season... it had to be really hard for him to process.
Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
4693 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:37 am to
Thanks for posting, just came across the article and wanted to do the same.

It's a very good read... we knew some of the details would come out over time.

Even that final day, Saban wasn't sure - concerned for the kids, the program and the school. Says a lot about the man.

We, you and I, have lived through an amazing time as fans of Alabama football.

Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
808 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:18 am to
I see a lot of people replying to this article in other spots saying Saban was mad players got paid or some other such bullshite.

The issue is that college football is transactional in a way it wasn't before. As a coach that has to suck. There is no school where it doesn't suck. It sucks for a guy like Saban who is the best ever at the top program and it sure as hell sucks a lower tier school where you can develop a guy for years only for him to leave to play with a bunch of strangers just because they'll pay him more.

I don't know about you guys, but when I did sports (and now that I coach) the relationships between the coaches and athletes isn't supposed to be transactional. You're not supposed to look at the other person as a means to an end. There are certainly situations in life in which you should do that. I don't need a relationship with the guy that changes my oil. Hell, I'm aware that if I died today that my boss's main concern would be finding a replacement and afterwards he wouldn't spend a single second worried about me or my family. That's fine. Probably the best way to look at it for a job. But sports? Sports shouldn't be that, not at every level. Pro sports? Sure. But even then you hear coaches talk about missing the locker room and players when they retire. I completely understand Saban saying, "frick it, I'm out!" after what happened after the playoffs. He knows it isn't going to get better, so why stick around?

A significant amount of people will be selfish assholes if you let them via incentives, which is what the NCAA has done with NIL and the transfer portal. Some kids will stay because they value relationships over cash, but as time has shown a LOT of kids value money over almost anything.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:19 am
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4356 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:06 am to
Felt like Downs was gonna leave no matter what happened.
Posted by Tideordie256
Florence, AL.
Member since Jun 2022
70 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:44 am to
Saban is the best to ever do it. His process has been duplicated by many but he is the GOAT hands down. Saban is a workaholic as well and he outworked all of the competition. It's got to be frustrating knowing that no matter how hard you work, basically anyone can come in and buy your current players off of your roster. That sucks
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
1977 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:16 pm to
not sure how it will end up, but College football will never be the same. its all about who has the most $$$

Thank you Tennessee
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Antarctica
Member since Aug 2018
9250 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:22 pm to
Makes me wonder how much longer Kirby is going to stick around at UGA. I can't imagine he wants to continue to put up with this BS.

This also seems like a good reason to have a guy like Courtney Morgan on the staff. I imagine he's the first point of contact if a players asks for more money and then he can discuss with DeBoer as necessary, but at least you don't have players constantly bugging DeBoer about it.
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

Felt like Downs was gonna leave no matter what happened.

You'd be wrong....the sole reason he came to Bama was because of Nick Saban. Had coach stayed, so would have Downs!
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4301 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

The issue is that college football is transactional in a way it wasn't before. As a coach that has to suck.

Coaches don’t get paid eight figures to teach life lessons, and the players aren’t any different from law or med students. They (or at least the top guys) are basically majoring in football.

People attend college and take jobs to further their own interests.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4301 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

not sure how it will end up, but College football will never be the same. its all about who has the most $$$

It’s been that way for a while aside from the fact that there’s only a few Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart types that can be hired by the richest programs to make the biggest difference. Not everyone can afford a $15,000,000 staff, 100,000 seat stadium, and otherworldly facilities that are constantly upgraded to lure those coaches.

Winning has been about money for a long time.

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Makes me wonder how much longer Kirby is going to stick around at UGA. I can't imagine he wants to continue to put up with this BS.

I bet he wants to keep getting paid $10,000,000 a year or whatever he makes.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Antarctica
Member since Aug 2018
9250 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

I bet he wants to keep getting paid $10,000,000 a year or whatever he makes.


I meant in the sense that he'd go to the NFL. Similar money and a better work/life balance. Plus, he has a GM/Owner to deal with players chirping about wanting more money.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 4:56 pm
Posted by bbeck
Member since Dec 2011
14557 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 5:21 pm to
Would love to know which players he is referring to

I mean I get it is probably the ones no longer with the program, transferred out, etc but still
Posted by Snout Spout
Somewhere in the 17th century
Member since Jul 2015
957 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 6:24 am to
He said in past years he had always been part of a team and couldn't imagine himself not being part of a team when asked about retirement.

I think it boils down to the fact that he no longer felt part of a team like he had before.
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4356 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 9:22 am to
prety much it. Saban made the right call.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
4304 posts
Posted on 3/8/24 at 12:01 pm to
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