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Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:07 am to forestwhitackersgood
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:07 am to forestwhitackersgood
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this is still the greatest country to love in... Don't believe me, go spend about a month in Iraq or North Korea.
There's a huge gap between living in the US and Iraq/North Korea. That's like saying "the best food is steak. Don't believe me, try eating that squirrel someone just ran over in the road."
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Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:12 am to BamaBo7
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Why do I have to read it again when I actually live in the community and grew up in housing projects. I know what goes on and why it goes on. I can promise the police attitudes have changed from the 80’s. I also know that us in the community need the police right now..we are losing our community to vice lords and gangster disciples at the moment. You know I lost 2 players last year and 6 students to gang violence. I didn’t lose a single one to cops. Every year I have 3-5 former students die by community violence and 3-5 current students. That’s 10 a year..You wanna say the cops are the problem and we should be scared of them? I am scared as a black man.. scared of the lack of care for killings in my community. Scared of the young kids who can take a life without a blink of an eye.
I understand there needs to be some changes with the system.. my top article talked about those changes.. especially with keeping fathers in the homes and in kids life’s. The jail system is broken and it’s needs to be fixed. There is racist people in this world and there always will be.. there is bad cops.. there is bad people.. but the biggest threat to blacks right now is ourself. We are killing at an alarming rate and it’s scary.. yet we ignore that. No police training will fix that. That doesn’t get the attention it should. Instead we blame cops and say they are killing us all.. that’s a problem to me. It’s hiding the real problem in my opinion. I understand what the coaches and company’s are doing. What choice do they really have? They need the black community to preform.. this is a business. It’s also easier to say we can fix the police that kill 112 blacks to date in 2020.. than we can fix 485 blacks murdered in the streets this year in Chicago alone. Jackson MS has 104 right now. I’m just wanting us to look at the bigger picture.. what real change will happen if we don’t change our communities? We save 112 blacks. I want to see more change than police training and voting out Trump. What the hell did Biden do for us in 8 years as VP and 47 in office. You think has some great plan he didn’t tell Obama about how to fix this. We are being used. That’s the hardest part for my community to understand the fix has to come from us.. not politicians, not laws, not handouts. It has to be at home. We need fathers and we need morals.. we need real role models. Not ones on posters or TV.. we need them in the home
Much respect to you, sir.
You’ve probably had more of a positive impact on lives than this board has combined, including myself.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:53 am to BamaBo7
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Why do I have to read it again when I actually live in the community and grew up in housing projects. I know what goes on and why it goes on. I can promise the police attitudes have changed from the 80’s. I also know that us in the community need the police right now..we are losing our community to vice lords and gangster disciples at the moment. You know I lost 2 players last year and 6 students to gang violence. I didn’t lose a single one to cops. Every year I have 3-5 former students die by community violence and 3-5 current students. That’s 10 a year..You wanna say the cops are the problem and we should be scared of them? I am scared as a black man.. scared of the lack of care for killings in my community. Scared of the young kids who can take a life without a blink of an eye.
I understand there needs to be some changes with the system.. my top article talked about those changes.. especially with keeping fathers in the homes and in kids life’s. The jail system is broken and it’s needs to be fixed. There is racist people in this world and there always will be.. there is bad cops.. there is bad people.. but the biggest threat to blacks right now is ourself. We are killing at an alarming rate and it’s scary.. yet we ignore that. No police training will fix that. That doesn’t get the attention it should. Instead we blame cops and say they are killing us all.. that’s a problem to me. It’s hiding the real problem in my opinion. I understand what the coaches and company’s are doing. What choice do they really have? They need the black community to preform.. this is a business. It’s also easier to say we can fix the police that kill 112 blacks to date in 2020.. than we can fix 485 blacks murdered in the streets this year in Chicago alone. Jackson MS has 104 right now. I’m just wanting us to look at the bigger picture.. what real change will happen if we don’t change our communities? We save 112 blacks. I want to see more change than police training and voting out Trump. What the hell did Biden do for us in 8 years as VP and 47 in office. You think has some great plan he didn’t tell Obama about how to fix this. We are being used. That’s the hardest part for my community to understand the fix has to come from us.. not politicians, not laws, not handouts. It has to be at home. We need fathers and we need morals.. we need real role models. Not ones on posters or TV.. we need them in the home.
Perfectly said.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:04 am to bamameister
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:27 am to stomp
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Nobody anywhere has ever said this.
Yet he said
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I have a 21-year-old son. I worry about him because Black men are an endangered species pretty much. These cops are just killing
It’s common with the people who have the “black men are being hunted down” line of thinking to solely bring up cops. It’s rarer that gang violence or gun violence is brought up. He could’ve said “just the violence happening” which would’ve included both by cops and regular gun violence. But he choose, just like many others, to single out cops and cops only.
Yes they legitimately think that cops are killing young black men in droves. If not, why do they always single out either them? If he’s going to be afraid, why not say because “all the violence happening”? Again a black male has FAR more reason to fear a shady black men then he does a cop.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:49 am to mistaken4193
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the whole “Cops only targeting Black people” is a bullshite narrative we are being fed
What's bullshite is framing the narrative that way just so you can shoot it down. The argument is cops disproportionately target blacks. You're free to still disagree with that, but changing what they're actually fighting against is dishonesty.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:55 am to The Spleen
Show me the stat where more unarmed black people are killed by cops than White or Hispanic people.
Also show me any of these national media cases where the person killed fully cooperated
Also show me any of these national media cases where the person killed fully cooperated
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 8:57 am
Posted on 8/31/20 at 8:58 am to CrimsonBoz
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No with my background I moved into DEA Fast before Chuck decided to reform into RRT/SRT.
The training is conducted in and around Army SOF so it made sense for me.
My unit was assigned multiple times to JTF-5 and JTF-6, mostly 6. I think the names have changed since then. Prior to that time we worked with Snowcap and visited some great vacation places like Chapare and the box.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:02 am to mistaken4193
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Show me the stat where more unarmed black people are killed by cops than White or Hispanic people.
Do you understand the word "disproportionately"?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:07 am to The Spleen
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Do you understand the word "disproportionately"?
Yes I do. Like Despite being only 13% of the population African Americans commit over 50% of violent crimes.
I guarantee if you look up total interactions with police the numbers are equal for every race.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:09 am to mistaken4193
They why ask me to show you something that I never argued? All I did was point out the dishonesty in your framing of the narrative.
Further, if these movements bring about change to policing, it will bring down numbers for both blacks and whites. Is that a bad thing?
Further, if these movements bring about change to policing, it will bring down numbers for both blacks and whites. Is that a bad thing?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:12 am to The Spleen
I’m 100% for these guys protesting if they feel they are being targeted or mistreated. I am for free speech no matter what side one takes.
I just disagree when the media says Black people are being targeted.
I just disagree when the media says Black people are being targeted.
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 9:16 am
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:20 am to The Spleen
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What's bullshite is framing the narrative that way just so you can shoot it down. The argument is cops disproportionately target blacks. You're free to still disagree with that, but changing what they're actually fighting against is dishonesty.
What's BS is ignoring the bigger picture which is what the other poster is referring to. The narrative you are pushing for will not stop the majority of the killings in certain communities. To ignore that there is a greater concern then that is foolish and devalues human life even greater.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:20 am to mistaken4193
quote:I just think that arguing over semantics like this is just distracting from the fact that these cops are fricking out of control.
I just disagree when the media says Black people are being targeted.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:22 am to pvilleguru
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the fact that these cops are fricking out of control.
The cops are the ones out of control?
Are you serious?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:27 am to TideSaint
Cops are out of control in many areas. Crime is also out of control in many areas. It's a toxic combination with neither side willing to do any self assessment to make any change. It's a whole lot easier to circle the wagons and blame the other side.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:32 am to The Spleen
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Cops are out of control in many areas. Crime is also out of control in many areas.
If people stopped committing crimes, cops wouldn't be in their area.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:35 am to TideSaint
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The cops are the ones out of control?
Are you serious?
They absolutely are out of control. The last few months have easily highlighted that fact.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:38 am to pvilleguru
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They absolutely are out of control. The last few months have easily highlighted that fact.
How would you have handled the Blake situation?
He is a convicted felon with outstanding warrants, he's brandishing a knife, not complying, takes two stun gun shots with no affect then reaches into his car for God knows what.
But the cops were out of control?
Jesus.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 9:44 am to TideSaint
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he's brandishing a knife
The knife was in his car and wasn't found until after he was already shot and on the ground.
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