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Posted on 9/6/20 at 9:24 am to stomp
Posted on 9/6/20 at 9:24 am to stomp
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Give me some examples of this.
Better yet give me some examples on how they truly support them. Examples that do not include political motivation or as mentioned from the party of the last century that no longer exist.
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Posted on 9/6/20 at 10:43 am to stomp
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If the Republican party wants more Black people, it has to look within itself and figure out how to appeal to conservative Black people who avoid the GOP because of racial issues and stop denying that it has one.
I agree. Based on historical perspective, the parties have changed, but if we're being realistic, most black people identify as conservative or moderate. Polls have shown that it is almost 70% combined. The truth is that most black people are Democrat because of societal pressures, not because the Democrat party has been a beacon of light for hope and justice. I'm neither Republican or Democrat, but my views are, certainly, not Liberal, yet, my friends that share my beliefs and values vote Democrat because that is what they believe they are supposed to do.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 11:40 am to calgrad
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I agree. Based on historical perspective, the parties have changed, but if we're being realistic, most black people identify as conservative or moderate. Polls have shown that it is almost 70% combined. The truth is that most black people are Democrat because of societal pressures, not because the Democrat party has been a beacon of light for hope and justice. I'm neither Republican or Democrat, but my views are, certainly, not Liberal, yet, my friends that share my beliefs and values vote Democrat because that is what they believe they are supposed to do.
I wouldn't say its so much what they're supposed to do...the Democratic Party just has more open arms to Black people and gives us a seat at the table without a lot of the contempt (although there is some). There is some social pressure but the ballot box is private.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 12:16 pm to TideWarrior
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Better yet give me some examples on how they truly support them. Examples that do not include political motivation or as mentioned from the party of the last century that no longer exist.
The Democrats supports civil rights, voting rights and racial inclusion. Which current candidate has a Black business growth in his platform? Which party supported a Black candidate in its primary?
Let's go to a local level. Have any Republican mayors done this in their cities?
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These are the reasons why many Black moderates and conservatives vote Democrat. The race issue is the ultimate non-starter.
Speaking for myself as a Black supporter of 2A, capitalism, traditional family values, some elements of school choice (although still supporting a robust public school system), and supporting some local Republican candidates (some), I've never been invited or encouraged to get involved with my local county Republicans.
I live in the Huntsville area. Our county court house has a Confederate monument. Black leaders in this city has begged the county to move it to Maple Hill Cemetery for years and recently. No action. Republican county and city leadership won't take it down. Why?
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Posted on 9/6/20 at 12:26 pm to stomp
And I expect nothing but denial, downvotes, and deflecting back on the Democrats. Until the GOP fixes it's own house, the majority of Black people will support Democrats. It shouldn't have to be that way, but it is what it is.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 12:57 pm to stomp
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Our county court house has a Confederate monument. Black leaders in this city has begged the county to move it to Maple Hill Cemetery for years and recently. No action. Republican county and city leadership won't take it down. Why?
Does this monument keep you from enjoying your day to day life?
Posted on 9/6/20 at 1:01 pm to stomp
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Let's go to a local level.
I'm from Jackson, Mississippi. The mayors of Jackson have been predominantly Democrats for almost 25 years. That city is a bonafide shite hole now.
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The race issue is the ultimate non-starter.
You do know the Republican party is responsible for ending slavery, right?
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I've never been invited or encouraged to get involved with my local county Republicans.
I've never been invited or encouraged to get involved with any local politicians. I'm not mad about either. I don't need a politician to tell me how to live my life.
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Posted on 9/6/20 at 1:10 pm to stomp
Local levels are going to vary, but from the top of the of the parties in DC has anyone this century fixed immigration, gotten equal pay for women, or a multitude of other national issues we as a country have been dealing with for decades and beyond?
Great for TV commercials but follow thru once in office seems to be lacking. Unless I have missed something from the party in DC.
Ben Carson
Again platforms are great for marketing but does not guarantee follow thru
My post on this also focused on all minorities not just one demographic. But all the different minorities are continually sold on what said democratic party candidates market to get their votes and yet once they get in office seem to fall short on their promises.
Another issue I have with both parties is the scare tactics both use repeatedly in campaign adds to persuade voters. Now dumb voters who let a commercial convince them how to vote is another story but sad so many vote of a propaganda from both sides
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The Democrats supports civil rights, voting rights and racial inclusion
Great for TV commercials but follow thru once in office seems to be lacking. Unless I have missed something from the party in DC.
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Which party supported a Black candidate in its primary?
Ben Carson
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Which current candidate has a Black business growth in his platform?
Again platforms are great for marketing but does not guarantee follow thru
My post on this also focused on all minorities not just one demographic. But all the different minorities are continually sold on what said democratic party candidates market to get their votes and yet once they get in office seem to fall short on their promises.
Another issue I have with both parties is the scare tactics both use repeatedly in campaign adds to persuade voters. Now dumb voters who let a commercial convince them how to vote is another story but sad so many vote of a propaganda from both sides
Posted on 9/6/20 at 1:31 pm to TideWarrior
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You do know the Republican party is responsible for ending slavery, right?
What about since then? Name 3 things enacted in the last 50 years that originated from a GOP administration and directly targeted Black advancement. Just 3.
And Ben Carson didn't come close to winning the 2016 nomination.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 1:35 pm to TideWarrior
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Great for TV commercials but follow thru once in office seems to be lacking. Unless I have missed something from the party in DC.
Dem House passed the voting rights advancement act. GOP Senate won't even put it up for a vote. If they did, would the President sign it? I think he might, but why isn't he calling on the Senate to pass it?
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Posted on 9/6/20 at 1:41 pm to TideSaint
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I'm from Jackson, Mississippi. The mayors of Jackson have been predominantly Democrats for almost 25 years. That city is a bonafide shite hole now.
Is this true? Anecdotally of all the people I know who live in Mississippi the only people who talk positively about where they live, live in Jackson.
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I've never been invited or encouraged to get involved with any local politicians. I'm not mad about either. I don't need a politician to tell me how to live my life
I don't think he is saying anything about politicians telling people about the way they should live thier lives. I think the comment is about an interest in including African Americans in the party. Parties do actively recruit for interested people to be involved at the local level. Since the Republican party has historically not been seen as welcoming to African Americans, I think he was saying if they were interested in involving African Americans there would be more of an effort to reach out.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 1:43 pm to stomp
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I've never been invited or encouraged to get involved with my local county Republicans.
There's an inverse. I have reached out to numerous "Black" groups to get involved and my efforts have been met with silence. I have, also, been to meetings and have been met with looks of befuddlement. I'm not saying that Republicans or Democrats are perfect, but if the black vote were unnecessary for election, the Democratic platform would be, vastly, different.
In the words of Charles Barkley, "...only talk to black people every four years. All of these politicians only talk to black people every four years because they want their vote."
Also, "Black people have been voting for Democrats their whole life, and they’re still poor."
Posted on 9/6/20 at 1:50 pm to calgrad
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Also, "Black people have been voting for Democrats their whole life, and they’re still poor.
That's something falsehood that's thrown around without regard to how the same is true for many GOP voters. Black people have tangible influence on the party and legislation.
The state of Alabama has voted for Republican presidential candidates since the 60s. Has that elevated the state?
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Posted on 9/6/20 at 2:15 pm to calgrad
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In the words of Charles Barkley, "...only talk to black people every four years. All of these politicians only talk to black people every four years because they want their vote."
Also, "Black people have been voting for Democrats their whole life, and they’re still poor."
I think this dismisses a lot of progress over the last 50 years.
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The share of African Americans living in poverty has declined substantially in the last five decades. Using the official federal poverty measure as a benchmark, over one-third (34.7 percent) of African Americans were in poverty in 1968. Today, the share in poverty is just over one in five (21.4 percent).
And there have been great strides in educational attainment, wealth and income, family wealth etc. I am not about to play the who deserves credit game but as a society, including in the government, we are doing something.
I think this falls into that category of being able to acknowledge we have come a long way but also have a ways to go in education, housing and employment/salary equity.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 2:20 pm to Carlton
The real truth is that both parties have contributed both positively and negatively, and neither has monopoly on good or bad ideas. One party just has more work to do with reaching Black people than the other one.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 2:47 pm to TideWarrior
Trump actually began the opportunity investments in black communities. They invested 75 billion dollars and the results were strong. Lowest black unemployment in decades.
I am not democrat or republican either. But, I am surely not a socialist.
I am not democrat or republican either. But, I am surely not a socialist.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 3:01 pm to Carlton
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I think this falls into that category of being able to acknowledge we have come a long way but also have a ways to go in education, housing and employment/salary equity.
I agree. All fair points.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 3:08 pm to LovetheLord
I think you are talking about Opportunity Zoning Tax Breaks which encourages investment in low income areas but that isn't a 75 billion dollar investment in black communities. LINK President's don't get credit from me in regards to employment numbers because generally speaking their policies have little influence over them but up until the pandemic the unemployment where great across the board under Trump.
This post was edited on 9/6/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/6/20 at 3:21 pm to Carlton
Yes, that is what I was referring to. It was implemented by the Trump Administration and massive investments into urban communities came as a result.
While it is true that employment numbers one way or the other are not always attributable to administrations, there are certainly times that they are. Carter was stuck in Keynesian macroeconomic models during the 70s and stagflation set in. Couple this with his weak foreign policy, which led to Middle East issues and oil boycotts, and the U.S. was hurting badly economically.
Trump, on the other hand, lifted/did away with a large number of restrictions, reworked trade deals and promoted domestic production, all of which contributed to record unemployment for every group of Americans.
I've got to give him credit for a great economy for everyone.
While it is true that employment numbers one way or the other are not always attributable to administrations, there are certainly times that they are. Carter was stuck in Keynesian macroeconomic models during the 70s and stagflation set in. Couple this with his weak foreign policy, which led to Middle East issues and oil boycotts, and the U.S. was hurting badly economically.
Trump, on the other hand, lifted/did away with a large number of restrictions, reworked trade deals and promoted domestic production, all of which contributed to record unemployment for every group of Americans.
I've got to give him credit for a great economy for everyone.
Posted on 9/6/20 at 3:33 pm to LovetheLord
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Yes, that is what I was referring to. It was implemented by the Trump Administration and massive investments into urban communities came as a result.
Just to be clear low income does not necessarily mean there was a flood of investment in city (urban) or African American communities nor do I think there has been time to see the outcomes.
In regards to the Presidents and unemployment rates, it has been steadily on the decline since 2009 from 9.9 percent and was at 4.7 when he took office and is now at 3.5 percent. This decline seems on par with the year over year decline. I have no problem with others wanting to give him credit but statistically it is just at best slightly above trend and I think you would have seen the same trend with any other Republican president given the party platform.
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