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re: Jalen Hurts and my thoughts on the game.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 8:53 pm to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 9/3/17 at 8:53 pm to CrimsonBoz
Didn't say the o line pay was his fault but there are things a QB can do to help the O line.
McCarron couldn't run and neither could McElroy but they knew how to move in the pocket.
Hurts doesn't have that skill, or doesn't appear to.
Probably because he's so athletically gifted and never had to develop it.
McCarron couldn't run and neither could McElroy but they knew how to move in the pocket.
Hurts doesn't have that skill, or doesn't appear to.
Probably because he's so athletically gifted and never had to develop it.
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Posted on 9/3/17 at 8:57 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
This is really quite simple, one cannot establish pocket presence when said pocket doesn't exist. When he had time and that wasnt often, he made some nice throws. Let's give it a few games and make a decision.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 9:22 pm to CrimsonBoz
I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread but you have to remember with all the pressure Jalen faced last night, regardless of how the oline played, he valued the football and did not throw into coverage or lose the ball on any of his runs or scrambles. Not turning the ball over is a huge part of being a smart leader at the quarterback position. On the other side Francois made some mistakes that put his team in some tough positions. I know everyone is frustrated with the offense and we all want rhythm and explosive plays but sometimes I think we forget how important protecting the football is.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 9:24 pm to Tine131
I'm satisfied with rhythm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 9:26 pm to Tine131
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he valued the football and did not throw into coverage or lose the ball on any of his runs or scrambles. Not turning the ball over is a huge part of being a smart leader at the quarterback position
To be fair, Jalen could have had a pick 6 when he threw the ball directly at James. However, that was the only close issue he had. Pretty solid with ball security & that defense.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 9:30 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Yea, I think the fact that their defense is elite and played so explosively last night made it hard to get into a rhythm. I guess I just think FSU has that solid of a defensive football team. I think the offense will only get better going forward.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:02 am to Commander Data
I said before the season started Tua would be the starter before the end of the year.
After last night my opinion hasn't changed. Hurts doesn't seem to think, or God forbid there isn't a hot read designed in the play when you see blitz.
He's probably not getting us beat throwing a bad pic. But I just can't see him winning a game with his arm.
I'll have to watch it again, but I don't recall seeing a quick slant throw on a blitz all night.
Guessing Dabol isn't a fan of the pistol either
After last night my opinion hasn't changed. Hurts doesn't seem to think, or God forbid there isn't a hot read designed in the play when you see blitz.
He's probably not getting us beat throwing a bad pic. But I just can't see him winning a game with his arm.
I'll have to watch it again, but I don't recall seeing a quick slant throw on a blitz all night.
Guessing Dabol isn't a fan of the pistol either
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:26 am to llfshoals
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I said before the season started Tua would be the starter before the end of the year.
If Tua's our starter before the end of the year, don't think we'll make the CFP nor win the SEC. I think he's gonna be real good and I like him as the backup so he can get some experience, but think he needs at least a year learning the college game before he'll be ready...
Limited sample, but thought Hurts looked better than last year, when he had time to throw...his two long balls were right on the money...his mid-range looked pretty good as well...too many times, defenders were coming in untouched...on several plays Womack looked like he missed an assignment...at least half of Hurts' incompletions were when he threw the ball away to avoid a sack. After that game, I think the OL needs to reciprocate and buy him dinner...
Also think Damien Harris is our best back...he waits for the hole and then accelerates thru it...reminds me of Ingram in some ways...
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:31 am to OldPete
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If Tua's our starter before the end of the year, don't think we'll make the CFP nor win the SEC.
We won the SEC last year and made the final game with a true freshman QB that evidently doesn't have the all around game that Tua might have.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:51 am to Commander Data
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The defense is elite but the pass rush took quite a few steps back
This. This scared me, we will see how we play out but i think the OL needs adjusting.
As far as JH goes i would like for him to keep his eyes down field a little longer, seemed like he was run happy on a few plays where he wasnt running for his life.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:53 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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Still thinks to run first rather than find the open safety valve.
this.
i am also worried about our secondary.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:00 am to TitleTown
The good news is, Bama should be able to out talent everyone until the LSU game.
The next 5 teams aren't going to be able to challenge the Tide. Will watch Tennessee tonight, but I don't they will be much of a challenge.
Just got to have eveything worked out before the LSU game and hitting on all cylinders by the Iron Bowl.
The next 5 teams aren't going to be able to challenge the Tide. Will watch Tennessee tonight, but I don't they will be much of a challenge.
Just got to have eveything worked out before the LSU game and hitting on all cylinders by the Iron Bowl.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:10 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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We won the SEC last year and made the final game with a true freshman QB that evidently doesn't have the all around game that Tua might have.
It's only one game and it was against a top DL, but it appears the OL this year might not be as solid as last year...and not many freshmen QBs have the mental toughness and composure that Hurts showed last year...
If Tua had started against FSU, do you think he could've avoided the sacks that Hurts avoided? Do you think he'd have had any more time to throw? Do you think he could've thrown the two deep balls better than Hurts?
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 9:16 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:24 am to OldPete
Hurts is making it too damn easy for good defenses. Walk a safety up in the box for run support and as a spy on Jalen and you've shut down the Bama run game and Hurts's scrambling ability all in one fell swoop. Bring a backer on a blitz and all hell breaks loose. Until Jalen figures out how to make the defenses pay by throwing into spots vacated by blitzers and walked up safeties, good defenses will continue to do it and will continue to shut us down.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:42 am to OldPete
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If Tua had started against FSU, do you think he could've avoided the sacks that Hurts avoided? Do you think he'd have had any more time to throw? Do you think he could've thrown the two deep balls better than Hurts?
Naturally, it's impossible for any of us to know for sure how Tua or any other QB would have fared. I think it's entirely possible, though, that Tua might be able to get off a pass as good as or better than Hurts can. Hurts has a problem reading defenses, and when he gets pressured, he isn't able to find that secondary receiver and his first instinct, anyway, seems to be to take off. Problem is that the defenses know this by now, so they contain Hurts, and we can't move the ball. Perhaps Tua can check down on the receivers better than Hurts can or will. We just don't know. And as for the question of can he throw the deep ball better than Hurts, then I think that's a very good possibility, based on what I saw in the spring game, and based on what I saw of Hurts all last year.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 9:47 am to OldPete
quote:Not all of them no. He doesn't need as much time to throw. The 2 deep throws were good, its the throws he didn't make, hell didn't even try that worry me
If Tua had started against FSU, do you think he could've avoided the sacks that Hurts avoided? Do you think he'd have had any more time to throw? Do you think he could've thrown the two deep balls better than Hurts?
Posted on 9/4/17 at 3:40 pm to phil4bama
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Bring a backer on a blitz and all hell breaks loose. Until Jalen figures out how to make the defenses pay by throwing into spots vacated by blitzers and walked up safeties, good defenses will continue to do it and will continue to shut us down.
Too many times that game, FSU had guys coming in untouched and Hurts was running for his life...I think there's a difference between having a short time to throw and having no time to throw and, to my eyes, many passing downs he had no time to throw. We should find out as the season goes along if Hurts has more of a problem reading defenses or if our OL has more of a problem blocking them...
In this game, he threw the ball well when he had time and he threw the long ball well, both improvements from last year...right now I'll take that and hope he builds on that throughout the season...
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:26 pm to remaster916
Doesn't look like Tennessee will be a problem either. Weak OL and D.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:30 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
The difference is Tua doesn't have the intelligence or calmness of Hurts. On his second ever play he threw it out of bounds, whereas Blake Barnett was panicking when pressured and no one was open. That's why Jalen is starting and why we went to the national championship last year. He's incredibly smart with the ball.
Posted on 9/4/17 at 8:40 pm to UhOhOreo
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The difference is Tua doesn't have the intelligence or calmness of Hurts. On his second ever play he threw it out of bounds
We have no idea if Tua is as intelligent (are we talking about football?), but I will admit that Hurts is great at throwing out of bounds. He put on a clinic vs Clemson.
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