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re: Is CKD's coaching seat warm?

Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:53 pm to
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I keep hearing “deboer is a winner”. Yea he has won where hes been - naia, fresno… uw. NONE of which are anything close to Alabama and sec.


He beat the absolute shite out of Texas in the playoffs last season while 'Bama got embarrassed against them, and he did it with so much less on-paper talent than either team.

Every loss was completely on Milroe this season, outside of Vandy where the defense shares the blame. Both him and Saban were handcuffed to this dude for whatever reason.

Give him a QB that's not a complete dipshit and we'll see how he does. No point in judging him until that happens.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8735 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:54 pm to
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deboer is a winner”. Yea he has won where hes been - naia


This sounds like you're being dismissive. Sioux Falls has 4 National Championships in their entire history.

DeBoer won 3 of them in 4 seasons. If it is so easy to win there, why hadn't every coach that coached there done it? It's not like Sioux Falls was some power program at that level. He was 67-3 during his tenure. Sioux Falls moved from NAIA to Division II based on the success they had under Coach DeBoer.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8735 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:58 pm to
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He didn't coach up to the standard and he damn sure didn't motivate his players to play up to it every week.


Do you share this opinion about Kirby? His losses to BAMA and Ole Miss look horrible in hindsight. Did he not properly prepare his team? Did he not coach his team to the standard? Did he not properly motivate his players?

Homie got rescued by the refs or he would've lost to his biggest rival at home? Do you condemn Kirby as a head coach in 2024?? Or do you respect what Kirby has done in the past?
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Crimsonpirate23
Member since Jan 2024
249 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:06 pm to
the question was specifically what has he done in his year at alabama that gives you optimism?
Everyone that defends deboer points to his track record. There should be some things to point to over the last year at alabama. Doesnt even have to be on field w/l result.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8735 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:10 pm to
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the question was specifically what has he done i


I gave you specifics. Can you not read?

He recruited well.
He brought great transfers with him.
He won big games.
He won 9 games in year one with a first time OC and a relatively new DC.
His defense was the best at BAMA since 2017.

Are those not specific enough for you??
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
3719 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:14 pm to
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I’m getting Billy Napier vibes from this coach. I knew Napier was going to suck after his first few games. Florida is way too big of a job for that guy. As long as he is there, the Gators will be mediocre at best.


Florida turned it around at the end of the year and were battling more injuries than maybe any team has ever had to overcome.

They also have among one of the worst facilities and NIL collective in the conference.

He gets well above a passing grade for his job this year.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
20548 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:14 pm to
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the question was specifically what has he done in his year at alabama that gives you optimism?


Scheming receivers wide open the whole season like all of the best offensive minds in the sport do (Sark).

Imagine what a competent QB could have done this year.
Posted by Crimsonpirate23
Member since Jan 2024
249 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:18 pm to
don’t disagree. But then 2 steps backwards for not having guts to put in someone who might be able to deliver to said schemed open receivers.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
20548 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:26 pm to
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don’t disagree. But then 2 steps backwards for not having guts to put in someone who might be able to deliver to said schemed open receivers.


I guess Saban didn't have guts either? Both coaches shackled to the same bad QB for whatever reason. Holding it against DeBoer and not Saban doesn't make sense.
Posted by Crimsonpirate23
Member since Jan 2024
249 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:32 pm to
Blind loyalty and optimism doesn’t make sense either. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Luckily these things don’t impact our day-to-day lives.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11254 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:38 pm to
People don't want to accept that Milroe was our best quarterback the last two seasons. I've seen nothing from Ty Simpson in the Spring games or limited real game action that would suggest that he's definitely better than Milroe.

I've always thought Simpson was a guy who'd be a gunslinger as a starter. He's going to put some throws up and you better hope his guys make a play on the ball. Certainly that was seen by the staff and their estimation was Milroe was possibly seen as a bit less turnover prone and a whole lot more dynamic as a runner. However, I will admit the last 3 games of Milroe's career here that argument got flimsier. 9 turnovers in 3 games has got to be among the worst runs we've had from a quarterback this century.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
20548 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:39 pm to
Factoring in his past success with QB's that aren't retarded and continuing to bring in top 5 recruiting classes for 'Bama and making an assessment isn't really "blind loyalty and optimism," but whatever dude.
Posted by FoTownBam
Foley Al
Member since Oct 2023
3899 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:41 pm to
If Milroe is his starting quarterback to start next season, I will join the “fire Deboer bandwagon”. But until then, let’s give the guy a shot with his type of offense
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8735 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:48 pm to
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People don't want to accept that Milroe was our best quarterback the last two seasons.


I'll admit that I haven't seen enough film on anyone in the qb room besides Milroe to make that call. I don't really watch the spring games. I certainly don't have access to the team or any representatives either.

The fact that Milroe is the best qb option, if true, is a damning testament to recruiting at BAMA. That's just an awful idea to digest. I'd really like to believe that DeBoer didn't have the guts to make the switch rather than believe BAMA couldn't recruit a better qb than Milroe. Not calling you a liar at all. Just struggling to process that idea.
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 1:49 pm
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
20548 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:48 pm to
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I've seen nothing from Ty Simpson in the Spring games or limited real game action that would suggest that he's definitely better than Milroe.

His snaps have been so limited that there's no way to make an accurate assessment. But just seeing Simpson's delivery on simple dump offs and wide open receivers when he did get to play, and then comparing it to Milroe was pretty apparent. One of them made it look easy (because those throws are supposed to be and are easy for decent quarterback) and the other made it look difficult for no real reason.

All we want to see is an ACTUAL QB run this system. He doesn't have to be the second coming of Tua passing the ball. Just give your WR's a fricking chance instead of throwing it 10 feet over their heads or 20 feet out of bounds.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16288 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:53 pm to
Honeymoon is over but his job is secure for two more years minimum - probably three - barring an off field scandal
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8735 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 1:56 pm to
Holstein threw for 400 yards less than Milroe in his 1st year starting at Pitt in 3 less games and had only 300+ fewer rush yards.

I'm not suggesting that Holstein had a better year than Milroe, I'm saying it outright. And he wasn't number 2 behind Milroe when he transferred.

Edit: I'm interested to see what BOB can do with Lonergan too. If Milroe is the starter at BAMA next year, I'll be watching Pitt and BC.
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 1:59 pm
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22296 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 2:00 pm to
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People don't want to accept that Milroe was our best quarterback the last two seasons.


Either that’s total bullshite or every single QB needs to quit football.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5487 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 2:06 pm to
You could visibly see the wide receivers getting frustrated yesterday. Our program will be royally screwed if Milroe returned in 2025. The team and fan base would have a mutiny.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11254 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 2:07 pm to
I think the true freshman has a credible opportunity to win the starting job on game 1 in 2025.

Not saying he will but I do not think the QB room depth is in a position where he doesn't get every opportunity to win it.
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