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re: I know I'm starting a nuclear bomb topic here, but let's say.....
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:08 pm to amders44
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:08 pm to amders44
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I will say it again, and anyone that wants to can say I told you so if I am wrong. Jalen Hurts will start every game he is here at Alabama unless he is injured or he struggles way worse than he has already.
I've been one of his biggest defenders here, but that's just as wrong as the folks that say Tua will take the job next spring if not later this season.
Saban's going to play the guy he thinks will give Bama the best chance to win, period.
If that's Hurts, it will be Hurts. If that's Tua it will be Tua. Not one of us can predict how it will play out.
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:10 pm to JustGetItRight
Yea - I don't think Hurts is guaranteed anything. If Tua continues to develop and gains trust while Jalen continues to lack improvement on reading defenses and scanning the field..............Tua will have ever shot in the world to start at QB next season.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea - I don't think Hurts is guaranteed anything. If Tua continues to develop and gains trust while Jalen continues to lack improvement on reading defenses and scanning the field..............Tua will have ever shot in the world to start at QB next season.
I don't know why folks have such a hard time with the concept. It's really bizarre how they seem to think Saban has some agenda when it comes to playing time other than winning football games.
As to the topic, I think Hurts has shown really good improvement in those areas but I doubt he will ever be as skilled in those parts of the game as a good pure pocket passer. The question is, as I said in another thread, at what point if ever does Tua's (or anyone else) possible ability in those areas overcome the other things Hurts brings to the table. Saban makes $7 mil a year to make those decisions and past experience has shown he does a great job of it yet amazingly our fan base still doesn't trust him to do it.
Edited to add: I'd really like to know what the staff tells Hurts. He runs so well, I could easily see that his second or third read for many plays might legitimately be 'pull it down and run'.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:31 pm to JustGetItRight
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Edited to add: I'd really like to know what the staff tells Hurts. He runs so well, I could easily see that his second or third read for many plays might legitimately be 'pull it down and run'.
Same here. Make a first down throw to your second and third read is nice but having a QB jog out of bounds past the stick on third down will kill a defense not to mention the crowd.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:33 pm to Gustave
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Same here. Make a first down throw to your second and third read is nice but having a QB jog out of bounds past the stick on third down will kill a defense.
I just wish Jalen could develop a little more of that Manziel ability to escape pressure and keep his eyes up. Obviously he is an elite runner, but there are going to be times he escapes the pocket where we are going to have receivers and backs running wide open down the field. He just seems a bit shy ripping it in those situations. But, like others have said, that may be instructed.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:33 pm to Gustave
Some of his plays are first read and run I've mentioned this before, it's a fact. Go watch the TD to Ridley on the slant, 1 read and run as for a lot of his plays over the games we've played.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:38 pm to JustGetItRight
Exactly and in my opinion if Hurts does not progress anymore from this point going forward that will be good enough to keep his job, and he will progress and has already come a long way.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 4:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I just wish Jalen could develop a little more of that Manziel ability to escape pressure and keep his eyes up.
JFF also had Mike Evans to win a lot of 50/50 balls that he threw up just hoping something good would happen. The way Saban abhors turnovers, I doubt he'd tolerate that kind of gunslinging.
On an only slightly related note, while doing some stat digging I came across DeShaun Watson's game logs. In his sophomore season (2015), he had 4 games where he averaged less than 7 YPA and 3 more where he averaged less than 8.
The only reason he threw for lots of yards is because Clemson threw the ball 30, 40, sometimes 50 times a game and yet he finished 2nd in the Heisman that year because as a total package he was an incredibly dynamic football player.
That, IMO should be the expectation for Hurts and how he should be judged. Is he making the dynamic plays that turn the game? If the answer is yes, then he's doing his job.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 5:10 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If the staff decides at any point that Tua gives us the best chance to win I expect them to make him the starter. I don't know what it will take to prove that since I have no clue about their performances in practice. At that point I think Jalen would be the backup until he decides to transfer, graduate or somehow reclaim the job.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 5:32 pm to JustGetItRight
Hurts did have 2 dropped TD passes, and another to Foster that should have been called defensive holding:
Front of Jersey hold and a wrist hold, could easily slow Foster up the 6 inches or so he was behind the ball.
This ended up being a 43 yard in the air pass.
Front of Jersey hold and a wrist hold, could easily slow Foster up the 6 inches or so he was behind the ball.
This ended up being a 43 yard in the air pass.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 5:48 pm to LoneMDG
Don’t say Saban won’t use a two QB system, he’s done it before at LSU.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 6:04 pm to LoneMDG
Drops happen to every QB. It all equals out in the end. No need to count them as "almost completions."
ETA: What about the deflection to Cam Sims? Does that count as an almost incompletion?
ETA: What about the deflection to Cam Sims? Does that count as an almost incompletion?
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 6:31 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Sure but he has so few passing attempts that it skews things a bit more than normal. It will more than likely equal out later in the season but as of now it's definitely a factor to keep in mind.
If just a couple of plays had gone through suddenly we're talking about a guy averaging over 9 yards per attempt: the second bomb to Ridley against FSU where the DB intentionally held and the uncalled holding posted earlier in this topic.
If just a couple of plays had gone through suddenly we're talking about a guy averaging over 9 yards per attempt: the second bomb to Ridley against FSU where the DB intentionally held and the uncalled holding posted earlier in this topic.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 6:41 pm to imraged
Yeah, it's pretty pathetic that we've kept a tally of how many almost-completions Jalen has had. But I guess when his average completion is 3.5 yards, we've gotta do something to make it look better
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:03 pm to JustGetItRight
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I'd really like to know what the staff tells Hurts. He runs so well, I could easily see that his second or third read for many plays might legitimately be 'pull it down and run'.
Hurts would never have thrown that td pass to Devonta Smith. He'd have taken the sack or thrown it away.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:06 pm to uofarolltide
I saw some stats that show that LSU's qb throws for more yards per attempt than Hurts does. That sucks.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:08 pm to uofarolltide
What's pathetic is grown men plotting maps of the field and what Jalen has thrown while we win by no less than 17 points per game.
But, I guess here is a double standard because your people were talking about the drops Tua's throws had. Again we didn't have to pass much to win but all the passes except maybe 1 or 2 were right there. Hey if Tua grows a big brain and leads us to the promise land I'll all in, just win.
But, I guess here is a double standard because your people were talking about the drops Tua's throws had. Again we didn't have to pass much to win but all the passes except maybe 1 or 2 were right there. Hey if Tua grows a big brain and leads us to the promise land I'll all in, just win.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:08 pm to uofarolltide
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This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Pulling Jalen at any point means you're losing leadership, valuable experience, poise, etc. Really we would be taking a huge gamble, and it would be a punch in the gut to Hurts. Tua's time will come, but it will be after Jalen is done. Nick is never going to pull the kid from his starting duties unless something disastrous happens.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 7:42 pm to Mobtro
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Tua's time will come, but it will be after Jalen is done
No way in hell that Tua Tagovailoa will sit for 3 years to play 1.
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