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re: I don't want to pile on to our boy here...........
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Let's talk about this second picture. Holcombe, obviously based on his alignment, has the responsibility of covering the 3rd WR - the most inside slot reciever - in man coverage.
He engages/bumps said reciever, as I'm sure he taught to do. The action of the play was not near him, and his job was to protect against the play-action pass.
The runner ran to the right side A gap between the Center and RG, and Evans, the only MLB on the play, steps up and makes a nice tackle. Holcombe based on his responsibilities, was lined up pre-snap 3 yards outside the tackle box on the opposite side the play was run.
This is too easy. Confirmation bias is a helluva drug.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 6:21 pm
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Let's talk about this third picture. Once again, Holcombe is the back side linebacker on a QB sweep away from him. The 2 LBs playside, Evans and Jennings, were both completely blocked and never touched the ball carrier. The tackle was made by Harrison flying in.
Sure, Holcombe was blocked, just as every other person on our entire front 7 on the play, particularly every player who lined up on the opposite side of where the sweep went. Holcombe being anywhere involved on this tackle would've been near superhuman, especially given the fact that the MSU center was in his face untouched.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:36 pm to prevatt33
FYI, all three of these pictures came from MissSt's first drive, and drive where they didn't run in Holcombe's direction ONE SINGLE TIME.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:46 pm to 251_Dreaux
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Yea... He had a very bad game.
No, he didn't.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:46 pm to SummerOfGeorge
As a diabetic on insulin myself I remember the trouble Bama had at first trying to control Holcombe's sugar levels when he first started playing.He missed several practices until they finally got it under control and I was ,and still am , amazed that he could play at such a high level being a diabetic.I have had my sugar drop and almost passed out when I have done strenuous physical labor like yard work or moving furniture and it happens pretty fast.Another thing that gets you is the summer heat(Of course I am much older than Holcombe).I applaud Holcombe for playing and hope that is not his reason for missing some plays,as stated before we need better line play.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:54 pm to prevatt33
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And so, my question is, as a former AllState MLB, why is this picture included as evidence that Holcombe had a bad evening. He was actually one of the few players who did his job and made a nice play. It's was Davis, Evans, and Fitzpatrick who all had breakdowns.
The simple fact is that many fans simply don't know the real Xs and Os of the sport they so passionately discuss.
Totally possible. Thanks for pointing it out.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:56 pm to CrimsonPlanet
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As a diabetic on insulin myself I remember the trouble Bama had at first trying to control Holcombe's sugar levels when he first started playing.He missed several practices until they finally got it under control and I was ,and still am , amazed that he could play at such a high level being a diabetic.I have had my sugar drop and almost passed out when I have done strenuous physical labor like yard work or moving furniture and it happens pretty fast.Another thing that gets you is the summer heat(Of course I am much older than Holcombe).I applaud Holcombe for playing and hope that is not his reason for missing some plays,as stated before we need better line play.
Yea, I can't even imagine it. As you well know, just the daily routine without strenuous activity is difficult. Incredible.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Finally, we get to a play where Holcombe actually makes a mistake, his first of the game by my count. Fitgerald gets him with the spin move, Holcombe misses the tackle.
However, this play happens deep inside MissSt's second drive into Bama territory before any yards given up can be attributed to Holcombe.
My overall point being, Holcombe didn't actually play that bad. But, because he's a new starter with a different skin color, it's very easy to spot a mistake by him and specifically him. Secondly, on many of the running plays through this part of the game, Holcombe has been out of the tackle box playing man on a reciever.
Simply put, whatever blame our D deserves for MSU's "success" running the ball lies with the entire from 7, not specifically Holcombe. And man, MissSt had a helluva plan. (As a side note, I think Evans is actually playing Mike and Holcombe is playing Will. It's kind of hard to tell as I don't know what our keys are for calling the defensive strength.)
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Totally possible. Thanks for pointing it out.
I wasn't trying to single you out, SummerGs. They were just your pictures. Roll Tide, bromigo.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:59 pm to prevatt33
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FYI, all three of these pictures came from MissSt's first drive, and drive where they didn't run in Holcombe's direction ONE SINGLE TIME.
They did not all come from the first drive. They come from the first quarter.
And, and I don't mean to question your X's and O's, but almost all of them were inside counters, QB powers or delayed gap dives. I ignored plays where he was clearly on the backside. But that doesn't mean they were his fault.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:00 pm to prevatt33
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I wasn't trying to single you out, SummerGs. They were just your pictures. Roll Tide, bromigo.
No way man. That wasn't sarcastic. I played ball but I played in the back end. I'm happy as hell to learn that I may have been missing things. I badly want Holcombe to play well.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Prevatt - love to get some more of these from you. Interesting as hell.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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FYI, all three of these pictures came from MissSt's first drive
I was referring to only your first 3 pictures, the ones I had addressed to that point in the thread.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:02 pm to 12
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Low energy. Sad!
That shite is funny.
FWIW, I think discussion like this is ok. It's a sport and a past time for a lot of folks. However, some of you frickers (no one specifically) raise hell when one piece of criticism is said about Jalen then bitched moaned and cried in the game thread due to losing. Now all of this shade towards Holcombe.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:06 pm to prevatt33
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I was referring to only your first 3 pictures, the ones I had addressed to that point in the thread.
Ah, got ya.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:11 pm to 251_Dreaux
This picture is from late in MissSt's second drive.
It's a straight dive play, where the RB is simply trying to find a crease. (Upon further viewing, it's the same play that MissSt ran from your first picture, except that we were running a different look defensively and the RB broke it back inside the RT.)
The Left Guard pulls around to block Evans, who had lined up on the inside eye of the Right Tackle. Holcombe, for reference, lined up in the offensive left A gap.
Initially, everyone near where the play was going was blocked. Raekwon did a heck of a job fighting through the LT's block, and got a hand on and slowed down the ball carrier a bit. Holcombe similarly fought through his block (RG was on him untouched once again) and stopped the runner, with help from Jennings who had doubled back around the play from his Jack spot outside the LT. Evans was not directly involved in the play, although he drifted wide and force the runner to break it back inside the tackle.
All in all, it was a really nice play from Davis, Holcombe, and Jennings. Payne was completely blocked as was Buggs, but Buggs never had a shot be design anyway.
The more I look at this stuff, the more I'm really, really impressed with MissSt's Oline. Big, strong dudes who move well.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:13 pm to prevatt33
Another interesting thing is that Sam is not on the field for any of these plays, as MissSt is forcing us to play Nickle based on their personnel and then running it downhill. Heck of a gameplan.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 12:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
He's playing through a nagging hamstring injury. Let's cut the guy some slack.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:56 am to Tide or Die87
He was lost and caught blockers all night long. Did little to avoid them.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:56 am to crimson crazy
Hamstrings don't affect your mind.
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