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I don't want to pile on to our boy here...........

Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:59 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:59 am
But man - that was a 1st quarter for the ages for #42











This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 9:01 am
Posted by 251_Dreaux
Port-City, BAMA
Member since Jul 2013
713 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:06 am to
Yea... He had a very bad game. He reminded me of Jake Holland from Auburn. Hopefully he can bounce back from the game and become serviceable.

Sidenote - I know he is diabetic. I’m ignorant to symptoms and side effects, but does it effect a person’s energy levels? He seemed to not have the strength or “burst” on a lot of plays.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:09 am to
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Sidenote - I know he is diabetic. I’m ignorant to symptoms and side effects, but does it effect a person’s energy levels? He seemed to not have the strength or “burst” on a lot of plays.


Very much. By dad has Type 1 Diabetes (insulin dependent, genetic) like Holcombe does, and quite frankly it is incredible to me that Holcombe and guys like that are able to play Basketball/Football/Soccer at a high level like that. Baseball is easier due to the nature of the game and the breaks. But a sport where you are on the field, in action almost non-stop...........

The insulin level stuff is incredibly difficult to keep in check for someone is a sedentary office job worker that runs every night. I can't even begin to imagine how they deal with it for a kid playing major college football. He's young, so it's easier than it is for an older person, but I can't imagine how he stays at peak physical condition throughout an entire practice led alone a game. That sort of mental and physical stress makes balancing out your blood sugar almost impossible, and once your blood sugar falls or jumps it has serious consequences on a diabetic's physical state - from becoming slightly sluggish to losing consciousness (I've seen this happen to my dad a handful of times as a kid and it's one of the scariest things I've ever seen). Holcombe is not only trying to stay conscious, he has to stay at peak physical/mental condition or he can't operate.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 9:17 am
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7187 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:20 am to
Holcomb being a starter has me very concerned. He's an absolute liability if he continues to play like he did last Saturday.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:54 am to
Holcombe played a terrible game. That said, in the 3-4 defense your DL are supposed to eat up blocks so the LB's can roam freely. Holcombe had a 300 LB OL engaging him every play. That 1st image shows #94 getting blown off the line. Our DL needs to do a better job holding the point of attack so our LB's have a chance. Evans also looked slow. I hope we rest Evans and Fitz this week and get them ready for AU. Truth is our entire front 7 has looked pedestrian the last two weeks. The whole group needs to turn their game up a notch or 3 for us to have a chance to win anything moving forward.
Posted by AjA77
Member since Aug 2015
1124 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:14 am to
But to keep in perpective our defensive staff should have adjusted to them using there offensive guard to kick the D-linemen outside and the tackle pulling around.When you play the 3-4 that wide you are asking for the guards/tackle's to be able to get to your lb'ers.
MSU saw our splits that wide and took advantage of his 42 being under size and slower that a SDH.
If you go back and look at all the plays we went 4 man fronts.
They were for minimal yardage.
I am not saying he he did not play bad.But you cant let pulling tackle or just guards to get to lb'er depth.
I don't know why they were no told to read that and shoot the gap before the tackle got around.
They went out they way to show davis or 94 being hit inside from the guard with the tackle puling
around getting up field 3-4yards engaging the LB'er.
Note the distance between 94 and 99.

A 4-3 or 5-2 solves that and eliminate the pulling.
If they pull the d-line isin there back-filed and it creates one on one.Now I don't know why we would not want to create one on one for Davis and 94 by being in a 4-3.Especially when we are banged up at inside lb'er.
In the 4-3 we have 33 and 32 inside with 89, 92, 9, 49 as the DE's. with 69 and 49 alternating as the DT's.We can be 6 to 7 deep at D-line and should have used that to protect our LB'ers. There times when our coaches just get out coached.

This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 10:17 am
Posted by LukeSidewalker
Mobile, Alabama
Member since Dec 2012
8417 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:53 am to
I was hoping for some 5-2 or 4-3 also but our safety’s better be ready because Stidham is gaining confidence.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:04 am to
We were effectively playing 10 v 11 most of the night.
Posted by AjA77
Member since Aug 2015
1124 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:16 am to
I agree but that's maybe not based on the entire game.
But we should have the ability to be more flexible, considering our depth at DL..
But MSU was a in game adjustment that should have been made.I mean if you played a 4-3 against MSU and let 42 play over the TE all night with 33 and 32 inside.
Even-more crazy is why would we not want a 4-3 with a man on top of everybody but the center.94 and 99 demand double teams and a lb like 33 and 32 could be shooting the gap all night long.
With 99 at DE or at DT in a 4-3 man on man is a mismatch we should be creating.
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:32 pm to
He was getting swallowed up by lineman hitting that second level consistently. Now, those linemen shouldn't have gotten to that level that often, as many LBs aren't gonna win.

He's not spectacular, but he's what they have. He was fine in coverage against MSU save WTF the Hail Mary was.

He is the nucleus of the defense now that SDH is down. He has to be out there, he is the best option. If Evans could do it, he would already be doing it. Moses looks lost if he's not running towards the QB.

Just have to make it through the season, wholesale changes aren't gonna happen this late...
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:38 pm to
It does but this is unfortunately a skill level issue I'm afraid. God bless him I know he's giving it his all but he is just not good against good Ol getting off blocks.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52607 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:59 pm to
We'll see. I am not counting him out after one game. Its not like this was his first action of the season. He has looked good otherwise this season.
Posted by Kraut Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:42 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 9:31 am
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16968 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:06 pm to
After reviewing the game again, I can't pin it all on Keith, some of the OL were running free at him and while yes he should be athletic enough to avoid them, it happens.

We can either scheme away from him or rep the shite out of Moses.

Either way, Auburn may keep us in Dime a lot. The reason I say that is Stidham seems to be feasting on the time in the pocket, if Gus doesn't believe our front 4 with no help from any Db, Safety or Lb can get to Stidham he will keep his offense in empty set much more than usual. Now knowing Gus he will try to run up the middle on the read a lot, but IMO based on their success he could empty set and take his chances throwing deep on us all day.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 2:57 pm to
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But you are piling on. Holcombe. Back in September you called him "a coach on the field." Don't believe me, check here.


That was 100% joking around about the white stereotype. I was actually making fun of the stereotype, not Keith, because people see him and assume he's a good ole boy, big slow hitter who can't run. In reality he's the opposite, a smaller, quicker guy. See my next post in that thread :

quote:


He ran a 4.56 40 and weighed 210 lbs out of Hillcrest. He was not a gritty try-hard white guy.


I was actually not concerned about him stepping in. I thought he'd be ok. And like you and others have said, the hope has to be that it was just a shitstorm of bad things that all culminated together (tired/banged up line, first game as the starter, having to shed blocks against a very good OL, very good run game, road, etc).

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I don't discount the injuries, only a fool would. But I can only hope that they found a scheming issue & have fixed it.


That is my hope. Really hope guys were just beat up and a tick off and it gave State the opportunity they needed to grind out an extra 1-1.5 yards on those runs.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 3:01 pm
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:53 pm to
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He reminded me of Jake Holland from Auburn.


Holland was a very good player, a three year starter. What do they have in common other than being white linebackers?
Posted by 12
Redneck part of Florida
Member since Nov 2010
18748 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:48 pm to
Low energy. Sad!
Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
12929 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:57 pm to
I disagree...if you rewatch the game there were times when he could've meet the running back in the hole and instead he ran to the blocker. He was just lost. Those were plays Hamilton would've made. He just needs experience and confidence. You can tell he was trying to react instead of anticipating.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:03 pm to


Let's talk about this first picture. MissSt runs a dive play that breaks off of the right tackle's outside hip, or Right C gap. Holcombe is not the MLB to this side - Evans is.

The triangle of players closest to where this ball is run are:

Raekwon Davis, who made an inside move and was thoroughly blocked by the Right Tackle;

Rashan Evans, who stepped into the C gap and was partially blocked by the pulling Left Guard, gets his hands and body on the ball carrier and misses the tackle;

And Minkah Fitpatrick, who was blitzing on the play, and gets immediately blocked by the upback.

Keith Holcombe, who is playing the backside MLB given the action on the play, has the Right Guard immediately in his face, untouched. Holcombe keeps his arms extended, sloughs off the block, and MAKES THE TACKLE on the runners legs while Hootie Jones got him high. Eight yard gain.

And so, my question is, as a former AllState MLB, why is this picture included as evidence that Holcombe had a bad evening. He was actually one of the few players who did his job and made a nice play. It's was Davis, Evans, and Fitzpatrick who all had breakdowns.

The simple fact is that many fans simply don't know the real Xs and Os of the sport they so passionately discuss.

And it's ridiculous.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 6:05 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:09 pm to
Game video starting just before that exact play for those interested:

Holcombe literally makes the tackle (with Jones) on a play going away from him. Fitz, Davis, Evans shite the bed.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 6:11 pm
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