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Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:31 pm to 3down10
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:31 pm to 3down10
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Why not all? Probably because they were putting in people for experience rather than trying to keep the score and yards down.
Even in big, close games we rotate our backups in there. So no your argument there doesn’t work. Be honest you thought we were fielding 3rd stringers instead of 9 to 10 starters late in the fourth.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:35 pm to tider04
quote:Very few if any are saying "all is well". Many are saying that it's not nearly as bad as some of your ilk are saying.
pretending all is well with this defense right now is borderline mental
Also, they don't like your attitude toward CNS, though you don't usually name him, and the staff.
And you are ignoring or understating the especially difficult circumstances the D staff has had to overcome.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:38 pm to 1BamaRTR
It's not just a matter of starters not playing, it's playing with a sense of urgency when you have such a big lead. I know that the score should not matter, as CNS insists, but human nature dictates that it does.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:44 pm to tattoo
I do think the defense can be better, just not there yet. Even in garbage time, you expect your starters to play well. Maybe they’ll give up something but letting the offense score as easily as they did isn’t a good. Again I agree the overall performance wasn’t as bad as the final numbers indicate but at the same time it was concerning (for the moment).
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:44 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Even in big, close games we rotate our backups in there. So no your argument there doesn’t work. Be honest you thought we were fielding 3rd stringers instead of 9 to 10 starters late in the fourth.
Not sure what your point is, unless it's to say we usually do well in those games even late in the games.
Which is true, but due to injuries many players were 3rd and 4th string.
That points to more of a depth issue. Which is kind of to be expected, because of the injuries that ate away all the depth.
Still a top 10 defense and will get even better as the season progresses.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:53 pm to 3down10
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Not sure what your point is, unless it's to say we usually do well in those games even late in the games.
Your point was the defense give up points because we had our backups out there. We didn’t. Our primary starters were the ones out there getting beat. Then you came back to point out we had like 2 backups there so you were still somehow right.
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Still a top 10 defense and will get even better as the season progresses.
I don’t agree right now but we’ll see.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:58 pm to tattoo
Are the Advanced metric stats premium?
Eta: Nevermind I thought he released the S&P.
Eta: Nevermind I thought he released the S&P.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:55 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Your point was the defense give up points because we had our backups out there. We didn’t. Our primary starters were the ones out there getting beat. Then you came back to point out we had like 2 backups there so you were still somehow right.
It only takes 1 person to miss an assignment for bad plays to happen.
The biggest issue I've seen is we don't set the edge. Ole Miss kept running around the edge getting 10-15 yards when if the edge was set it would have been 3-4.
Gosh, I wonder if they will ever get that fixed? If it's the end of the year and we are still doing it, then fine I understand.
And all this while losing a ton of depth at the position, bunch of new guys in there...learning.
But go ahead, keep on your doomsday train I guess.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:55 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Are the Advanced metric stats premium?
Eta: Nevermind I thought he released the S&P.
The S&P is over at ESPN now and it's called SP+ now.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:10 pm to 3down10
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only takes 1 person to miss an assignment for bad plays to happen.
The starters were missing them. Again just pointing out that you said the backups were being put in but they weren’t.
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go ahead, keep on your doomsday train I guess.
No where did I say they weren’t going to get better. Not sure where you’re getting doomsday from.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 6:15 am to 3down10
No one is saying this is the best defense we have ever had.
In fact, I think people would even acknowledge that this is the worst defense we have had during Saban’s run. Hell, it should be with the that many freshman starting. That’s the way it goes.
But it’s still not nearly as bad as you guys are letting on.
USC put up a ton of yards with a true freshman QB because we were giving up the underneath stuff and keeping everything in front of us.
Ole Miss put up a ton of yards with a true freshman scrambler. You keep saying “we didn’t set the edge” when they were running RPOs all game. No duh. That’s the whole point of an RPO, to conflict slot/edge guys at the second level.
The defense has been at its best when the games have been close and been at its worst when the games are way out of hand and no longer in doubt.
Assuming no more major injuries, this defense will improve as the year goes on and so will the blitzing scheme.
We aren’t showing everything we have against teams that are woefully overmatched with our all-world offense being able to name the score.
In fact, I think people would even acknowledge that this is the worst defense we have had during Saban’s run. Hell, it should be with the that many freshman starting. That’s the way it goes.
But it’s still not nearly as bad as you guys are letting on.
USC put up a ton of yards with a true freshman QB because we were giving up the underneath stuff and keeping everything in front of us.
Ole Miss put up a ton of yards with a true freshman scrambler. You keep saying “we didn’t set the edge” when they were running RPOs all game. No duh. That’s the whole point of an RPO, to conflict slot/edge guys at the second level.
The defense has been at its best when the games have been close and been at its worst when the games are way out of hand and no longer in doubt.
Assuming no more major injuries, this defense will improve as the year goes on and so will the blitzing scheme.
We aren’t showing everything we have against teams that are woefully overmatched with our all-world offense being able to name the score.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 7:26 am to Syd
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there are about 7 teams who could all beat each other depending on the variables in a game. We are be
True but we've got to play around 5 of them to win the natty.
I’d say the SEC champ has the toughest road for sure. Bama for instance will play a ranked
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Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:18 am to CrimsonBoz
Auburn ended up with the murderer's row. They have to play all 4 of the other Top 10 SEC teams before they could even get to Atlanta.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 1:59 pm to 3down10
quote:It’s night and day compared to the 2015 defense.
The biggest issue I've seen is we don't set the edge.
The tape against LSU is jaw dropping.
Both players on the edge of the line would stick their arm into the outside shoulder of their respective lineman/TE and run bounce out and up to get the RB running east and west.
If the RB cut upfield there was never anywhere to go and they’d chase down anyone who tried to get outside. I know the talent and experience was incredible but their fundamentals were flawless.
Who was the white kid who played on the line so much that year? Small white kid who ALWAYS set the edge.
This year it seems like there are weak points and running lanes everywhere.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 2:10 pm to ReauxlTide222
Dillon Lee
Posted on 10/2/19 at 2:15 pm to remaster916
There it is.
He was stoning guys left and freakin right that year.
I don’t know enough about x’s and o’s to tell you how rpo’s are changing how teams play defense but it looks to me like OLs are dictating everything against us in the run game.
It’s like the defense isn’t forcing RBs to make any decisions. They just run the ball to the area that the play is called and there’s always room and lanes to get upfield.
He was stoning guys left and freakin right that year.
I don’t know enough about x’s and o’s to tell you how rpo’s are changing how teams play defense but it looks to me like OLs are dictating everything against us in the run game.
It’s like the defense isn’t forcing RBs to make any decisions. They just run the ball to the area that the play is called and there’s always room and lanes to get upfield.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 2:38 pm to ReauxlTide222
Our run defense is a major concern, and the weakest it has been since the Shula era. DJ Dale seems to have a bright future, but he is no Deron Payne or Q. Williams at this point in his career as he doesn't create a ton of havoc in the backfield, and the LB's behind him are easily cleared by opposing OL. Our secondary is pretty darn good, but most teams will just RPO run it down our throats until we prove we can stop it. Here's to hoping the bye week is a great time of learning and improvement for our young DL and LB's.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 3:05 pm to tider04
I think that our run defense deficiencies are being overblown.
We are allowing 3.66 yards per rush.
Iowa is ranked number 10 in total rush defense and they are allowing 3.42 ypr.
Auburn is 20 and they are allowing 3.09 ypr.
We have only allowed 1 rush TD all year. Only 6 teams have allowed 1 or less rush TDs.
I think we'll be aight.
We are allowing 3.66 yards per rush.
Iowa is ranked number 10 in total rush defense and they are allowing 3.42 ypr.
Auburn is 20 and they are allowing 3.09 ypr.
We have only allowed 1 rush TD all year. Only 6 teams have allowed 1 or less rush TDs.
I think we'll be aight.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 4:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
Compared to most of Saban's units, 3.66 ypc sucks. But here's why it doesn't matter...yet. Yes, we're giving up 3.66 ypc rushing, but while the opponent is doing this and stringing together a few first downs and a score or two, Tua and Co. have put 5 TD's on the board and the opponent is in a big hole. Go ahead, we'll let you have 3.66 ypc all you want since you're burning the clock for us and shortening the game. But we're going to be in a world of hurt if we face someone like LSU that scores with us and then uses that running game to keep our offense off the field for long periods of time and gets points too.
I've never seen a bunch of fans that wants to whistle past the graveyard like Bama fans do. That defense is going to get us beat unless improvements are made. Period.
I've never seen a bunch of fans that wants to whistle past the graveyard like Bama fans do. That defense is going to get us beat unless improvements are made. Period.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 4:31 pm to phil4bama
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I've never seen a bunch of fans that wants to whistle past the graveyard like Bama fans do. That defense is going to get us beat unless improvements are made. Period.
Not whistling past the graveyard. Not really sure what we as fans are supposed to do about it. We are the youngest, most inexperienced we've ever been in our front 7. It is what it is. Just saying that as bad as it is relative to what we are used to, it's still not THAT bad.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 4:33 pm
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