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re: How do you fellas feel about the new transfer rule ?
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:54 am to kajunman
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:54 am to kajunman
I feel like I'm tired of talking about these things, but they need to figure out what they are going to do and stick with it for a period of time.
Coaches can adjust to whatever they decide, but there needs to be some consistency and longevity to whatever the rules are. I don't think that is going to happen in this current situation because so much is changing, but I think the uncertainty of things is a bigger issue than whatever they decide ruling wise.
In terms of the specifics of the rule, I'm fine with it. But I think everyone also has to realize that this is going to mean a lot more year to year type decisions from coaches, as well, which will lead to "processing" more often. If everybody is fine with that trade off I don't see an issue. Just do it consistently so coaches and players can plan things out.
Coaches can adjust to whatever they decide, but there needs to be some consistency and longevity to whatever the rules are. I don't think that is going to happen in this current situation because so much is changing, but I think the uncertainty of things is a bigger issue than whatever they decide ruling wise.
In terms of the specifics of the rule, I'm fine with it. But I think everyone also has to realize that this is going to mean a lot more year to year type decisions from coaches, as well, which will lead to "processing" more often. If everybody is fine with that trade off I don't see an issue. Just do it consistently so coaches and players can plan things out.
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Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:56 am to remaster916
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Will hurt Bama's depth. Freshman will be transferring like crazy if they don't play year 1.
This is not and will never be true. Most kids want it to work where they commit, as that's just human nature. Furthermore, other schools won't have copious empty scholarships to take these kids.
There literally won't be any more transfers. The process will simply be streamlined.
And for every player we lose, we can take one. I'll bet on the Best Recruiter Who Ever Lived, Nicholas Lou, and we'll be more than fine.
A Bama fan, or any fan of a blueblood program, is wasting time by getting upset at this. The legislation will be beneficial to your team, and the sport as a whole will be more exciting by getting benchwarmers on the field elsewhere.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 8:59 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Those guys take the spots of other guys though.
This doesn’t benefit players. I think it’s very unfair to a guy who has waited his turn to start that the coach is now incentivized to bench him in favor of a worse player with more potential.
I don't understand your point, but I 100% disagree with the bolded portion. Freedom of choice is always beneficial, and it's monumentally beneficial to these players.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:10 am to prevatt33b
It benefits some players. The most benefit going to highly ranked high school recruits.
It hurts upperclassmen that lose their starting spot to a transfer. It hurts upperclassmen that lose their starting spot because the coach has to play the five star freshman over them in order to keep that freshman around. It hurts fringe guys that will get processed to free up scholarships for transfers.
Anyone who says this is a positive for players is looking at it purely at the surface. It’s a wash. It’ll help some and hurt others.
When a benchwarmer transfers to start, they make someone a benchwarmer elsewhere.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 9:11 am
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:25 am to TomRollTideRitter
An example:
Justin Fields benefits from the transfer rule by not having to sit out.
Jake Fromm is hurt because he has to split snaps with Fields despite clearly being the better option for UGA that year. My friends and I would high five anytime Fields entered the SEC Championship game against us. Kirby tried to play him to keep him around though.
Tate Martell is hurt by it because he essentially has to leave Ohio State when Justin Fields transfers in. He chooses a system that doesn’t fit his skill set. Now instead of potentially being the starting QB at OSU, he’s a bit part WR at Miami.
Justin Fields benefits from the transfer rule by not having to sit out.
Jake Fromm is hurt because he has to split snaps with Fields despite clearly being the better option for UGA that year. My friends and I would high five anytime Fields entered the SEC Championship game against us. Kirby tried to play him to keep him around though.
Tate Martell is hurt by it because he essentially has to leave Ohio State when Justin Fields transfers in. He chooses a system that doesn’t fit his skill set. Now instead of potentially being the starting QB at OSU, he’s a bit part WR at Miami.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:49 am to TomRollTideRitter
It Will just add to the chaos of things and the game will suffer. More and more the people who have responsibility over teams will have their hands tied. Coach is hard on player who needs it -> player acts like 18-20 year old and transfers, -> Kid does not learn personal discipline and school is out a player that they have invested in.
The old way worked just fine. Example; kid isn’t making it at x school or does not like x school. He goes to the coach and talks about leaving. Coach talks rationally with player and they come to an agreement. If a transfer is in order, then the coach makes phone calls and helps the kid to get into another school. Now days there are cases where a kid get’s chewed out at practice and goes and puts his name in the portal. Stupid!
At the very least, they could consider making entrance into the portal final. Enter your name, you are off the roster at your current school permanently.
There was an article I read recently that spoke of the damage that transfers are doing to high school recruits getting in at commensurate schools to their talent.
The old way worked just fine. Example; kid isn’t making it at x school or does not like x school. He goes to the coach and talks about leaving. Coach talks rationally with player and they come to an agreement. If a transfer is in order, then the coach makes phone calls and helps the kid to get into another school. Now days there are cases where a kid get’s chewed out at practice and goes and puts his name in the portal. Stupid!
At the very least, they could consider making entrance into the portal final. Enter your name, you are off the roster at your current school permanently.
There was an article I read recently that spoke of the damage that transfers are doing to high school recruits getting in at commensurate schools to their talent.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:50 am to kajunman
College football is at it's peak and it's all downhill from here.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 9:56 am to LovetheLord
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At the very least, they could consider making entrance into the portal final. Enter your name, you are off the roster at your current school permanently.
Per current rules, for any player who enters the portal, the current school can elect to not renew his/her scholarship for the next academic year.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 11:13 am to TidalSurge1
This is all funny to me because this is basically a rehash of the grad transfer thread. Just due to the transfer spaces available and the fact the vast majority of players would prefer and do stay at the school they sign with, I doubt you are going to see much difference than in past years.
People are worried about the very small change it might have in football when really basketball is where it could possibly be a true game changer.
ETA: By the way the football undergraduate transfer market, outside of QBs, historically has been 95% awful and will continue to be. If you are in the undergrad transfer market something has likely went very wrong. I would argue that Jucos probably have a better hit rate the undergrad transfers.
ETAA: And I just don't ever want to leave out you have to get a scholarship release from your school and not be under disciplinary suspension like for example Eyabi Anoma.
People are worried about the very small change it might have in football when really basketball is where it could possibly be a true game changer.
ETA: By the way the football undergraduate transfer market, outside of QBs, historically has been 95% awful and will continue to be. If you are in the undergrad transfer market something has likely went very wrong. I would argue that Jucos probably have a better hit rate the undergrad transfers.
ETAA: And I just don't ever want to leave out you have to get a scholarship release from your school and not be under disciplinary suspension like for example Eyabi Anoma.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:14 pm to kajunman
It's gonna cripple the game as we know it, and it all started with the transfer portal.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 12:49 pm to coachcrisp
I think football will be fine. I am way more interested to see if it is has a drastic impact on recruiting and roster management in basketball if it is ever instituted.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:02 pm to Carlton
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I think football will be fine. I am way more interested to see if it is has a drastic impact on recruiting and roster management in basketball if it is ever instituted.
Basketball is already suffering greatly because its most exciting players don't stay around long enough for fans to get to know them. CBB is less interesting as a result. In CFB, kids stay long enough for fans to make connections with these players emotionally, and fan interest is much higher.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:04 pm to prevatt33b
I agree with this
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:24 pm to Cobrasize
I'm interested to see when they eliminate 1 and done if they institute a 2 or 3 year requirement rule like they have for kids who play college baseball. I think that would help the sport.
Honestly though I loath regular season college basketball. You could put the globetrotters out there I would struggle. On the other hand I will watch 32 games of the Washington Generals during the conference and NCAA Tournament.
Honestly though I loath regular season college basketball. You could put the globetrotters out there I would struggle. On the other hand I will watch 32 games of the Washington Generals during the conference and NCAA Tournament.
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:25 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I think it's a terrible idea. We will lose alot of talented guys who need development because they will be impatient. We will also see a spike in cheating as teams will do what they can to poach players they want.
I guess the good news is we can poach other teams as well in order to fill immediate needs. Just think it's bad for the game. I think the NCAA will also have to lift the 25 signing limit each year too. Teams could lose too many players per year and not be able to keep stock with just 25 signees. It's gonna screw with alot of things and there will be unintended consequences. Basically this is bad for the game, so I expect the NCAA to do it.
I guess the good news is we can poach other teams as well in order to fill immediate needs. Just think it's bad for the game. I think the NCAA will also have to lift the 25 signing limit each year too. Teams could lose too many players per year and not be able to keep stock with just 25 signees. It's gonna screw with alot of things and there will be unintended consequences. Basically this is bad for the game, so I expect the NCAA to do it.
Posted on 2/27/20 at 1:31 pm to tider04
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I think it's a terrible idea. We will lose alot of talented guys who need development because they will be impatient.
This is the part I don't understand. Why would a school grant a scholarship release to a kid who is disgruntled about playing time?
Posted on 2/27/20 at 2:27 pm to Carlton
Alabama CB Scoobye Carter enters NCAA transfer portal once again (BamaOnLine)
ETA: 2020 Football Transfer Portal - Alabama
ETA: 2020 Football Transfer Portal - Alabama
This post was edited on 2/27/20 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 5:23 am to 3down10
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College football is at it's peak and it's all downhill from here.
It actually peaked sometime around 2007 to 2014.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 6:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Coaches can adjust to whatever they decide, but there needs to be some consistency and longevity to whatever the rules are.
If the NCAA is going to allow this, one rule I would wish they would implement is, that players wouldn't be allowed to transfer until after his soph season. Most freshmen aren't ready to start their first season. Most need physical development as well as learning the college game. The coaches can adjust but they won't be able to adjust for injuries if there isn't much depth. It's not like they will be able to sign a free agent to supplement d line or o line etc. This penalizes the good recruiters who recruit for depth.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 6:28 am to Carlton
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This is all funny to me because this is basically a rehash of the grad transfer thread. Just due to the transfer spaces available and the fact the vast majority of players would prefer and do stay at the school they sign with, I doubt you are going to see much difference than in past years.
Respectfully disagree. Grad transfer means you have to have graduated already. The new rule is a bypass of being a grad transfer.
Just due to the transfer spaces available Maybe coaches purposely don't sign 25 in anticipation of players leaving and poaching others. This rule will change the way coaches operate. It'll probably take a couple of seasons to get acclimated regarding recruiting.
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