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For those who have coaching backgrounds; what needs to be done to fix our Defense?

Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:34 pm
Posted by BCBAMA
Southeast Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
836 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:34 pm
I know many of our board members have coaching backgrounds. I am asking for direct comment to give us insight from board members such as Twisted, and others with coaching backgrounds. I would like to hear from you (Twisted) directly as you are extremely insightful. Yes, I know the main thing that would improve our D is firing Golding, but if it happens, it will be at the end of the year (and no, short of God answering my prayer, I don’t see him being fired or leaving).
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2843 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:50 pm to
First of all, you don’t take the best edge rusher #31 in America and repeatedly stunt him inside. You don’t repeatedly drop #15 into flat coverage.

You don’t ask safeties to play straight up man on slots without at least bumping them.

But overall, you disguise coverage, you bring pressure from multiple points and you aren’t reactionary to the defense, you make them react to you.

Nobody comes to the line and changes the offensive call against us.. because we don’t force them too..

We don’t press the issue if we play a QB that can run. We try to maintain gap control and rush lanes. That’s fine 85% of the time. But sometimes you have to heat a QB up!

Tell me when we last did that? We didn’t hear Ewers up, he just got hurt. We didn’t heat the Arky QB up, nor the A&M QB.

I’ve been to Sabans coaching clinics.. I coached football at the HS level for years and honestly some of the things we do in coverage is hard for me to comprehend and I’m not an 18 old kid. We attempt to be complicated on the back end and for some reason bland on the front end.

It’s difficult to understand in my opinion.

If Jeremy Pruitt or Kirby was calling this D.. we might still give up points. But it wouldn’t be because we did the same thing over and over and over.

Nick Saban has forgotten more about Defense than I’ll ever know.. but in my opinion, his Staff is no help to him.

Golding is not a bad football coach… but he’s not a great coach either and he’s easy to scheme… His tendencies are blaring
Posted by ChromaticTide
Member since Dec 2021
892 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:53 pm to
Idk anything about coaching football but that sounds right to me ^
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2843 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:54 pm to
Having said all that… I’m an offensive guy..

So don’t get me started on O’Brien. Because as crazy as this may sound, trust me.. I’ve forgotten more about offense than Bill O’Brien has ever known. He’s comically bad and without Bryce Young he would be putting up numbers similar to my buddy Jimbo Fisher.

We’d be averaging about 24 pts a game
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
7659 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:56 pm to
quote:

You don’t ask safeties to play straight up man on slots without at least bumping them.


this!
Posted by BCBAMA
Southeast Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
836 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 12:08 am to
What do you see with O’Brien?
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2843 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 12:38 am to
Oh lawd.. where do I start?

The Alabama offense is beyond simple.

First..

Zero motion, none! Our idea of motion is to move Latu from one side or the other … or motion Gibbs out wide. Our alignment or the change up on the perimeter is to move a WR to the slot.. and since the Arky game we haven’t done that. We never force the D to move pre-snap.

Next… our idea of misdirection is Gibbs cutting back against the grain. We zone block up front and ask Gibbs to find the hole.. because we aren’t running a specific play.. we are running a scheme. BTW, that’s incredibly difficult for offensive lineman.

3rd… we barely run any RPO.. almost zero rub routes and our deep routes are a simple as Jr High offense. No out and ups, no post to flag routes, no drag routes to middle.

We run nothing out the backside .. none of the inside flips to a WR in motion that we became used to with Cooper, Riddle, Juedy, Ruggs, Waddle or Smith.

We don’t throw to the backside seam to Gibbs like we did Najee.

Opposing Defenses absolutely fly to flow against us, because in our run game it always leads to the ball.

We score a lot of points.. but it’s not because of O’Brien. It’s because we have Patrick Mahomes in a smaller body playing QB.

What Bryce does is off the charts. Because if we you break us down on film… almost all of our explosive plays come from him being so dynamic and doing something that’s jaw dropping.

If you took Bill O’Brien playbook and sat it next to Shula’s, he wouldn’t know which one to pick up.. although in my opinion Shula’s was a little better.

We score points on individual talent…

If Bill had coached the 2020 team.. Smith never wins the Heisman and Mac Jones is a 5th round pick.

BOB is the only OC Brady ever had that he didn’t win a Super Bowl with…Brady tried to whip his arse on the sidelines…

he’s the same guy that Deshawn Watson said he couldn’t play for… because he was incompetent.

The Texas DC said it out loud before we played them , but nobody paid attention. He said Alabama is simple and easy to gameplan.

If Bryce wasn’t our QB, we’d be near the bottom of the league in points scored.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 12:42 am
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2843 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 12:44 am to
If none of that makes sense I apologize. I’d need a black board and some chalk to fully illustrate my point.. lol
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:02 am to
Posted by Shocco
Member since Nov 2015
1525 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:06 am to
Saban needs to crawl to get Pruitt back as DC. Best one he has ever had.
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
2965 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:47 am to
If you can see and I can see it, how the gel does Saban not see it? Does it take this loss to have make a move? And I’m not talking firing anyone mid season, go into the corrdinator room and tell them what to do.
Posted by bogeypro
North Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4052 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:46 am to
Cmayes... Excellent write ups. Thank you for the education. We need more of this on this board.

Saban sees it. He has to... Everyone else sees it. I hate to say it, but Saban is too soft to make hard decisions and fire coaches now.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 7:48 am
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
2919 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:42 am to
quote:

you took Bill O’Brien playbook and sat it next to Shula’s, he wouldn’t know which one to pick up.. although in my opinion Shula’s was a little better.

We score points on individual talent…

If Bill had coached the 2020 team.. Smith never wins the Heisman and Mac Jones is a 5th round pick.

BOB is the only OC Brady ever had that he didn’t win a Super Bowl with…Brady tried to whip his arse on the sidelines…

he’s the same guy that Deshawn Watson said he couldn’t play for… because he was incompetent.

The Texas DC said it out loud before we played them , but nobody paid attention. He said Alabama is simple and easy to gameplan.

If Bryce wasn’t our QB, we’d be near the bottom of the league in points scored.


Thank you. This validates what I was warning everyone about with BoB when he was hired. People thought I was over reacting. I knew it was a huge mistake. His time at Penn St was overrated, Brady pretty much ignored him at New England and ran his own offense and his offenses with the Texans were never better than middle of the NFL and often toward the bottom. Not to mention, the players with the Texans couldn't stand him and even Watt tried to whip his arse at practice and pushed to get BoB fired.

BoB is a less likable version of Avery Johnson for us. Overrated, unimaginative and never should have been hired.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13238 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:49 am to
Was OC for 16 years and DC for 4 years so I know a little about both sides. As others have said, we don’t use much motion to create mismatches , don’t have hot routes for easy completions when everybody in the stadium can see which players are blitzing . Bryce has to hold the ball way too long for our routes to develop . Would have loved to called a couple runs at the end before our FGA. Would have gotten us closer and burned more time off the clock . UT should have never gotten the ball back in regulation . Been saying it all year but we do not get our playmakers the ball in space enough. BOBs offense has an NFL approach and that is not what is needed with this group . However , 49 points should be more than enough to win.

Defensive game plan was pure trash last night . No adjustments were made either. As others have said , you don’t have safeties and in one instance a LB (Lawson) out covering WRs in the slot. We used a 3man mush rush a lot last night ( don’t agree with that philosophy ) but that fine if you drop 8 but we were not in our correct zones most of the night . When you do bring pressure , you have to bring your DBs up to tackle the hot routes . Again, did not happen . I am a little hungover and pissed off still but I love a good X and O discussion . I cannot believe Khyree and Ricks can’t play/ cover better than #2,#14,#13 attempts at covering last night . We lack physicality on D as well. UT gashed us repeatedly on the ground too. You are going to run into teams who are hot occasionally and your initial plan may not work, but what is alarming to me, is we made no attempts to adjust scheme or personnel that I saw
Posted by bogeypro
North Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4052 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:57 am to
quote:

I love a good X and O discussion


A post game thread with pure x and o discussion would be awesome!!
Posted by BCBAMA
Southeast Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
836 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 9:14 am to
Bear88, you were one I hoped would comment when I started this thread. I also could not for the life of me understand not adjusting defensively or changing #’s 2 and 13 out. 14 had a very bad game, too, who has played pretty well this year. It is really discouraging to see us waste the defensive talent we do have out there. Where are our team leaders? In the old days, not only would Saban chew a player, our leaders would pull the player aside and coach them up or chew them, or both.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13238 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 9:20 am to
Yea I was hoping he would have a come to Jesus discussion on the field with them the way he did a few years ago against Michigan in the bowl game ( he may have I just didn’t see it ) . Man, Bryce was scrambling around running for his life and our OL were just standing there watching . No attempts to get back in the play and help … just uncharacteristic of Bama teams
Posted by VanBasten9
Land of The White Elephants
Member since May 2012
1384 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 9:20 am to
Can we get Pruitt next year or is he still on “ restriction”?
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2843 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:19 am to
Our defense adjustment was to go to a nickel then a dime package.. that’s all we did. Lol

This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 10:20 am
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
2843 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:21 am to
No doubt in my mind Saban sees it.. none!

I’m just wondering why he hasn’t done anything about it.
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