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re: Fall Practice Thread. "Practice?" "We Talkin' Bout Practice?"
Posted on 8/9/15 at 10:46 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 8/9/15 at 10:46 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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frick Charlie Strong. what has he won?
Just because he hasn't won the championship, doesn't mean that he doesn't have good ideas.
Don't you agree that an upperclassman should not be in a position to be tied with an underclassman? The upperclassman has had at least one more year of S&C, playbook knowledge, and chemistry with the other players. If he can't show it, then he doesn't deserve the nod.
If an upperclassman is tied with a freshman, then he's either less talented or lazy. Both reasons why he should defer to the freshman.
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Posted on 8/9/15 at 10:53 pm to chattabama
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Don't you agree that an upperclassman should not be in a position to be tied with an underclassman?
there are a lot of variables that could go into it. i would assess each situation individually and not go by some mandate. Strong's spiel about always going with the freshmen might sound good to recruits, but it's a bunch of bullshite.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:52 pm to chattabama
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I read this tweet about Charlie Strong, and his philosophy is that if a freshman is tied with an upper classmen in a position battle, the tie goes to the freshman. I wish we had the same philosophy.
Me too, though I said last year that if Sims and Coker were virtually even (though after seeing Sims play and Coker struggle to win this job they probably weren't) then we should go with Coker, and not a lot of people seemed to be down with that. Though this year I'm seeing more who are.
Either way, if Coker isn't definitely better than Cornwell or Barnett, start either Cornwell or Barnett. And if Barnett is decently ahead of Cornwell, start Barnett. If it is close I'd still start Cornwell in this situation even though he's a year older, because it creates a situation where you can potentially get at least two years out of both of them.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:54 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Surprised to see no mention of Ridley's performance today. He's the real deal. Not on Cooper's level but still elite. I thought he got the most consistent separation of any WR today.
Seems like he was targeted just about every time he was in the pattern; like the QBs are already looking his way. Also saw Stewart and Black coaching him up between plays. I think there's a very high likelihood that he's in the rotation this year.
On D, Mo Smith stood out the most to me. Seemed like #21 was always around the ball. He closed quickly and was one of the biggest hitters, albeit limited contact. He was lining up first team at Star.
CNS wasn't joking about all CBs competing for the starting spot. TB was first to line-up opposite Curus, but Sylve, Averett, and Mo Smith all took turns opposite Cyrus with the 1st D
Seems like he was targeted just about every time he was in the pattern; like the QBs are already looking his way. Also saw Stewart and Black coaching him up between plays. I think there's a very high likelihood that he's in the rotation this year.
On D, Mo Smith stood out the most to me. Seemed like #21 was always around the ball. He closed quickly and was one of the biggest hitters, albeit limited contact. He was lining up first team at Star.
CNS wasn't joking about all CBs competing for the starting spot. TB was first to line-up opposite Curus, but Sylve, Averett, and Mo Smith all took turns opposite Cyrus with the 1st D
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:55 pm to sarc
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Cary Clark ?@ccbama 8m8 minutes ago Hoover, AL
Based solely on effectiveness today, I'd rank the Alabama quarterbacks in this order: Barnett, Morris, Coker, Cornwell, Bateman.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:56 pm to sarc
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Surprised to see no mention of Ridley's performance today. He's the real deal. Not on Cooper's level but still elite. I thought he got the most consistent separation of any WR today.
I'm excited about the WRs even though we lost Coop/White/Jones. Foster/Ridley were the top WR recruits in their classes and Stewart seems to be legit.
Offense is a huge question mark, but I think it can be very exciting.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:58 pm to sarc
Also, Dieonte Thompson was a pleasant surprise at WR. I'm still not convinced that Safety isn't his best position, but after today I feel better about him at WR.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:58 pm to sarc
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CNS wasn't joking about all CBs competing for the starting spot. TB was first to line-up opposite Curus, but Sylve, Averett, and Mo Smith all took turns opposite Cyrus with the 1st D
No Marlon? Seems odd, he's seemingly been with the 2s all week. Though you never know what Saban is doing, especially when people are watching.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:59 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Didn't Marlon pull a muscle?
Posted on 8/10/15 at 12:01 am to chattabama
Oh yeah, I remember seeing something about that.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 12:29 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Marlon was standing off to side most of practice. Disappointing because I was hoping to see if he's slated for a role on ST's at least.
Eddie Jackson was also standing off to the side for the 2nd half of practice. Allowed Ronnie Harrison to get a lot of reps
Eddie Jackson was also standing off to the side for the 2nd half of practice. Allowed Ronnie Harrison to get a lot of reps
Posted on 8/10/15 at 7:54 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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there are a lot of variables that could go into it. i would assess each situation individually and not go by some mandate. Strong's spiel about always going with the freshmen might sound good to recruits, but it's a bunch of bullshite.
This. I would rather Saban not get such coaching points from Charlie Strong...
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:20 am to chattabama
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The idea of Blake Barnett starting both excites and terrifies me
Agree, but as I said Here, I'm fairly sure he's going to play this year. If he keeps this up, he may very well start. He's added 15 pounds since he's been on campus and I think if he can get another 10 lbs on at some point then they'll feel he has enough weight to sustain (and they can obviously scheme to protect him from some contact).
Like you said, it both excites and terrifies me.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 9:23 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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there are a lot of variables that could go into it. i would assess each situation individually and not go by some mandate. Strong's spiel about always going with the freshmen might sound good to recruits, but it's a bunch of bull shite.
I am curious to hear what other variables would be included. Funky, you can chime in as well.
A sophomore/junior/senior should be able to beat out a freshman at any position with no questions asked.
I think it creates a certain level of complacency if the one with the most seniority is always given the nod if their play is equal. Every player should have to fight for their job, or they should lose it to the one who wants it the most. Otherwise you have freshmen who begin to slack off because they lose sight of the goal, and seniors who don't work as hard because they feel their job is safe. Do you think Geno Smith would have gotten that DUI in the spring if he knew that would mean losing his starting job?
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:03 am to chattabama
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Don't you agree that an upperclassman should not be in a position to be tied with an underclassman? The upperclassman has had at least one more year of S&C, playbook knowledge, and chemistry with the other players. If he can't show it, then he doesn't deserve the nod.
Except the underclassman in this case has been there a semester longer so playbook and chemistry are even at best.
The upperclassman is slightly more athletic IMO and has actually played in games though so I'm a big fan of going with the experience if a lot of other variables are equal.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:10 am to nb200016
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Except the underclassman in this case has been there a semester longer so playbook and chemistry are even at best.
But Coker worked under Jimbo who is supposedly a QB guru while the underclassmen worked with some QB coach. If Coker hasn't fixed his issues yet, he probably won't.
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:45 am to chattabama
If we are going to go RUN HEAVY anyway, sign me up for #TEAMBARNETT. Kiffin, Cornwell and Coker arrived in 2014, so while time on campus is important, its not like Blake is years behind the other QB's when it comes to Kiffin's system. Besides, Kiffin has already said (and shown) that he will tweak the system to the personnel anyway.
RIDLEY was already being viewed by some as a top-3 WR coming into to CAMP. Once he adjusts to the physicality (I certainly remember what happened to Chris Black during his 1st FALL CAMP?) then he will be right behind Foster and Stewart.
Add in Damien Harris and SCARBO running 3rd team RB by GEORGIA, then I guess you could consider me #TEAMPLAYTHEKIDS...
RIDLEY was already being viewed by some as a top-3 WR coming into to CAMP. Once he adjusts to the physicality (I certainly remember what happened to Chris Black during his 1st FALL CAMP?) then he will be right behind Foster and Stewart.
Add in Damien Harris and SCARBO running 3rd team RB by GEORGIA, then I guess you could consider me #TEAMPLAYTHEKIDS...
Posted on 8/10/15 at 10:46 am to chattabama
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is always given the nod if their play is equal
I don't agree with this either.
And any assumption that this is how Saban does things is pure conjecture.
We have seen PLENTY of times where underclassmen have won the job when going against upperclassmen.
I think that as far other variables go, the QB position is just a different animal than any other position, and when talking about those other variables, you have to strongly consider one's maturity level, and knowledge of the playbook. Who will perform better under pressure.
To be honest, I personally see no reason for me to question Saban's decisions regarding who is chosen to be the starter at QB, considering his track record is damn good.
I also think that the player who will give our team the best chance to win should be starting. Sometimes us as fans think that we know exactly who that player is, and many times we do not.
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Posted on 8/10/15 at 2:53 pm to ApeDeuce
You need to take off the Crimson glasses
Posted on 8/10/15 at 3:01 pm to UhOhOreo
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You need to take off the Crimson glasses
What did he say so Crimson glasses tainted? He talked about FR being the 3rd team RB, a FR being a contributing WR (which is not a hard position for a FR to come in and play), and a FR being QB.
The only one out of the ordinary would be the FR QB. He's not typical. He's got the talent. He's going to play this year at some point. Also, if anything it could be taken as a negative that he plays meaning the other upperclassmen QBs aren't our best option despite experience and age.
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