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re: Ecstatic Bama won, but I still think DeBoer = Mark Richt
Posted on 12/21/25 at 7:14 am to LovetheLord
Posted on 12/21/25 at 7:14 am to LovetheLord
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No! The coaching staff did NOT tell the kicking team to snap the ball with 20 seconds On the play clock. Which is more likely? The guy who has successfully coached a number of teams into playoffs and has a phenomenal record against top teams and top coaches told his snapper and punter to snap the ball with 20 seconds on the clock, or the punter who can’t punt more than 40 yards screwed things up?
Part of the problem we have on this board is that people post things without understanding how football works. For instance, the punter is never responsible for when the ball is snapped. The person responsible for when the ball is snapped on a punt is typically called the “personal protector” or sometimes referred to as the “upback.” He’s responsible for the formation, checking with the punter that he’s ready. and then signaling to the long snapper to snap the ball when the long snapper is ready. If you listen to DeBoer’s press conferences after games, you would have heard him mention after the UGA game that LT Overton was injured and the backup missed a call on the punt block.
Secondly, no one is saying DeBoer actively told them to snap the ball early. That doesn’t make any sense at all. We’re saying that he didn’t tell the personal protector and long snapper to not snap it until the clock was at 2 seconds. If the personnel protector was on the field for the previous play, you tell the long snapper (or literally any other player on the punt team that is on the sideline) to relay the message. Venebles was already using his timeouts and we were being very conservative with our play calling, so it was obvious we were going to have to punt. He literally could have told the personal protector and long snapper to make sure the clock had gone down 2-3 different times on that drive during 2 different timeouts. He does not have a detail oriented personality and just doesn’t think about these things until after the mistakes have been made. Saban was a master at being prepared beforehand, but most coaches know how to manage these little details on gameday and it’s very rare to see a coach making this amount of money be this bad at situational awareness. He would have been better off just letting the clock run out and taking a timeout or delay of game than not telling his team to make sure the clock was down to 2 sec before the snap. Trading 5 yards for 18 seconds would have absolutely been a better call than what he did.
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 7:23 am
Posted on 12/21/25 at 7:28 am to PowHound
Saban ain’t coming back. Hiring someone who produced Richt’s resume at UGA would be an expectation deifying hire for “following a great” in college football. Furthermore, maybe in a season like 2012 with a playoff Richt is a national champion.
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 7:29 am
Posted on 12/21/25 at 7:46 am to BamaBravesPackers
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He does not have a detail oriented personality and just doesn’t think about these things until after the mistakes have been made. Saban was a master at being prepared beforehand, but most coaches know how to manage these little details on gameday and it’s very rare to see a coach making this amount of money be this bad at situational awareness.
I have been defending DeBoer and lambasting the naysayers in this thread but I am going to probably surprise you by agreeing with you 100% here.
I think he probably still doesn’t totally understand … and he needs to … that every decision he makes during a game as Alabama’s coach isn’t just under a microscope, there’s a proctoscope involved.
The difference is I think he’s going to get there; you people don’t, and more than anything you can’t abide that any correction is not being delivered Saban style.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 7:50 am to InkStainedWretch
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I really think they’ll still be here if we run the table and win the big trophy
Yep. Having to resort to criticizing the timing of a snap on a punt instead of celebrating the first ever road win in the CFP just shows how far they'll reach to hate on DeBoer. They'd rather Bama lose so they'll be able to say they were right about DeBoer being a bad hire than the team be successful.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:04 am to RollTide33
I’m going to say something that is going to get me downvoted to oblivion, and there’s no way I can say it without someone taking me wrong, so I’m just going to go ahead and say it. This program is never going to move forward until the memories of how Nicholas Lou Saban did things … and I’m not talking about his commitment to detail and excellence, those should be eternal, I am talking about stuff like his demeanor, etc., during practice and games … dissipates.
We cannot afford to spend 40 years waiting perpetually for someone out of the Saban tree like we did waiting for someone out of the Bryant tree. There’s an element of our fan base who thought then and think now that will fix everything, but I thought then and think now that attitude reduces football to a cult of personality level and won’t work in this new era.
We cannot afford to spend 40 years waiting perpetually for someone out of the Saban tree like we did waiting for someone out of the Bryant tree. There’s an element of our fan base who thought then and think now that will fix everything, but I thought then and think now that attitude reduces football to a cult of personality level and won’t work in this new era.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:09 am to BamaBravesPackers
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Brother, I’ve had middle school coaches in 3 different sports be more detailed oriented and better situationally than DeBoer.
I dont even need to ridicule you, You did it just fine yourself.
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Some of us have coached, played, and/or refereed at different levels of the game and understand what can be coached vs. what can’t.
Ok Jim from Tuscaloosa
I played football. Played baseball at Bama. Coached multiple teams including varsity baseball, was a support staffer that had to be on sideline for many college football games(get back guy) But again ya got me! im definitely no referee, got me again!!
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When to snap the ball on a punt is 100% controllable by the head coach…starting at about 5th grade.
Ok explain, exactly how its 100% controllable. You are the coach, you relay to your ST coach or the unit personally to drain clock before snapping. A nervous player and hyped up deep protector who indicates snap is not paying attention to ST coach. How are you as a head coach who apparently is 100% in control of the snap going to force this player to not make a mental mistake and call for the snap early?
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 8:14 am
Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:27 am to scottydoesntknow
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Ok explain, exactly how its 100% controllable.
I did, read my next post.
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middle school coaches
You missed the point…again. I used middle school because that’s the point. His situational awareness is that bad. The best high school coaches would lap DeBoer in situational awareness, let alone the best college coaches. You completely missed the point.
He’s clearly a good coach and I’m glad he’s Bama’s coach. He just is really bad at this one area and it’s obvious to everyone who pays attention to the details of coaching.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:38 am to InkStainedWretch
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I am talking about stuff like his demeanor, etc., during practice and games … dissipates.
There’s not as many as you think. Ironically, it’s the lumping together of all criticism into “haters” that is causing this to be overblown. I highly doubt you could find a single post of mine even mentioning something of this nature because I’m actually glad that DeBoer seems to treat people with more respect than Saban did. I just want to see good decisions being made.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:41 am to BamaBravesPackers
You are a smart cookie even if folks are a little ill at you right now.
I am not going to call names but I think most regular posters here can tell who the two or three real problem children are.
I am not going to call names but I think most regular posters here can tell who the two or three real problem children are.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:53 am to BamaBravesPackers
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Kalen DeBoer is now 20-5 vs. nationally ranked teams as an FBS head coach. He’s 8-3 at Alabama. He’s also 4-0 against AP top 10 teams in true road games.
/thread
Posted on 12/21/25 at 8:59 am to UASports23
Exactly.
Enough of this shite. My god.
Enough of this shite. My god.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:10 am to RollTide33
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Yep. Having to resort to criticizing the timing of a snap on a punt instead of celebrating the first ever road win in the CFP just shows how far they'll reach to hate on DeBoer. They'd rather Bama lose so they'll be able to say they were right about DeBoer being a bad hire than the team be successful.
That is not the correct take at all.
We have incessantly criticized CNS or even during Stallings era for things we observe on the field. Bama fans are so dedicated to the product that they wish for better and better success for the program - something like what a parent does when he is asking his child to correct the mistakes to handle the adversity in adulthood. Granted we cant effect this change .. only coaches can but maybe its wishful thinking
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:20 am to UASports23
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He’s also 4-0 against AP top 10 teams in true road games.
Think he’s had extra prep time in the 3 he’s coached in while at Bama (although I could be missing one).
Our coach is really good when having extra prep time, which is why I have high hopes for the Indiana game.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:31 am to BamaBravesPackers
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Our coach is really good when having extra prep time, which is why I have high hopes for the Indiana game.
I think our higher overall recruiting rating than IU might mean we have better speed ... Just have to give them a chance in space
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:40 am to LaneB
Imagine if RW could catch. He would be an NIGHTMARE for IU.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:45 am to PowHound
quote:If that’s true why are you so fisking clueless?
You are speaking to a true Bama forum OG.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 9:48 am to LaneB
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We have incessantly criticized CNS or even during Stallings era for things we observe on the field.
Imagine the amount of shite posting about the offense had message boards been a thing during the Stallings era. Coach Stallings is highly revered and rightly so but Bama won in spite of those offenses.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:20 am to BamaBravesPackers
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His situational awareness is that bad. The best high school coaches would lap DeBoer in situational awareness, let alone the best college coaches.
You are free to have an opinion, and we are free to to think its a stupid one...and it certainly is
Posted on 12/21/25 at 10:26 am to samson73103
Or Coach Bryant from 1968-70 …
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