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re: Dylan Moses-Torn ACL. Out Indefinitely.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:59 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:59 am to RollTide1987
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It's hardly bad luck.
The position that is injured the most in football is the linebacker position and it's near double that of any other position with the exception of running back.
highschool injury study
Defensive end 6.7%
Defensive tackle 9.0%
Linebacker 14.9%
Cornerback 7.3%
Safety 3.2%
The most common injury and the one that has the most weeks lost by players are knee injuries, more specifically the ACL.
NFL injuries from 2000-2014
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 11:04 am
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:00 am to Funky Tide 8
Just got this for a staff member.. guess we will find out. Must be getting ready to sacrifice a chicken for the bad luck.. on a side note.. my D sucks this year and none of my LBers would help us..lol
“Good luck Friday night. Hows your D look this year? We will be ok, Lee is a monster, but on injuries Saban has been looking at this hard already. This was the tipping of the dominos”
“Good luck Friday night. Hows your D look this year? We will be ok, Lee is a monster, but on injuries Saban has been looking at this hard already. This was the tipping of the dominos”
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 11:04 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:03 am to mistaken4193
I mean what the actual frick? How many more injuries do our guys have to endure?
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:05 am to Funky Tide 8
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When you twist a leg in an odd manner, when you get hit in a sensitive area by another player, all of that is happening with increasingly more force being exerted. I would contend that insufficient strength and conditioning isn't the problem...rather that it is developing to the point where, when guys are being hit with more force or, if an ankle or knee is twisted, it's happening with increasingly more force than the body can handle.
but, to your point, wouldn't that mean that the players getting hit are able to take harder and faster blows, because they too are bigger and stronger? haven't quite a few of these injuries been non-contact?
Not at all. Look at the position a LB's knee is put in and the vulnerability it has to being hit by an offensive lineman when in an awkward position.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:06 am to BamaGradinTn
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Something is going on with conditioning...
Yeah.
Guys are getting bigger, faster, and stronger than ever. That's what's going on.
When you twist a leg in an odd manner, when you get hit in a sensitive area by another player, all of that is happening with increasingly more force being exerted. I would contend that insufficient strength and conditioning isn't the problem...rather that it is developing to the point where, when guys are being hit with more force or, if an ankle or knee is twisted, it's happening with increasingly more force than the body can handle.
Generally, sure, you may be right, but you're not going to convince me that in the last five or six years suddenly guys getting so much bigger and faster is what's causing this. I mean Dont'a Hightower played around 260 pounds and is plenty fast.
I'd guess (and it's just a guess) that ILB's defending the spread more these days puts them in space and defending side-to-side more. That can put them at odd angles, and getting caught in the wash, so to speak, puts their knees at more risk. Maybe the S&C program isn't working enough on pliability and flexibility and more on pure strength. Again just some guesses.
These type of injuries don't seem to plague other programs at the rate they are hitting us. All I know is that they better be analyzing the data (which I'm sure they are) and looking for commonalities so they can make adjustments right now.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:06 am to BamaGradinTn
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Today's players are much bigger, faster, and stronger.
Exactly, including UGA, Auburn and Clemson players, which means our guys have to practice at full speed against our 1s to be ready for them. There’s no avoiding this. Players get hurt, it’s part of football and always has been. Joe Namath played on gimpy, surgery-scarred knees his whole NFL career and that was 50 years ago. He hurt his knee in 1964 on a play where he didn’t even get hit.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:07 am to 3down10
So not bad luck but a trend? Thank you. This data only proves what I have been saying. We need to seriously look at changing how we practice/play the game.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 11:16 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:07 am to Cobrasize
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I'm not saying that this is conditioning or coaches. I don't know what the dang problem is. I'm just an idiot posting on a message board, but I would like to know if we have been doing something differently from the early Saban years.
We stopped recruiting the same amount and type of junkyard DOGS.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:09 am to RollTide1987
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So not bad luck but a trend? Thank you.
I'd say both. It's more likely to happen to a LB, but it's still bad luck to have it happen to someone specifically.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:10 am to RollTide1987
I have no idea what's going on, but since 2016, we've had 5 key LB's who will have missed at least 7 games due to injury.
Terrell Lewis: 25
Dylan Moses: 13-15 (depending on how this season goes)
Joshua McMillon: 13-15 (depending on how this season goes)
Christian Miller: 10
Shaun Dion Hamilton: 7
Anfernee Jennings, Rashaan Evans, and Mack Wilson have also missed time due to injury in this time.
Again, I have no idea for certain what's going on, but it certainly is very alarming.
Terrell Lewis: 25
Dylan Moses: 13-15 (depending on how this season goes)
Joshua McMillon: 13-15 (depending on how this season goes)
Christian Miller: 10
Shaun Dion Hamilton: 7
Anfernee Jennings, Rashaan Evans, and Mack Wilson have also missed time due to injury in this time.
Again, I have no idea for certain what's going on, but it certainly is very alarming.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:12 am to BamaBo7
It's simply amazing how many of our guys go down before the season even kicks off.
I don't remember this being an issue back in the day. Injuries would occasionally happen but it be during the seasonal SEC battles.
I don't remember this being an issue back in the day. Injuries would occasionally happen but it be during the seasonal SEC battles.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:13 am to RolltidePA
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Generally, sure, you may be right, but you're not going to convince me that in the last five or six years suddenly guys getting so much bigger and faster is what's causing this. I mean Dont'a Hightower played around 260 pounds and is plenty fast.
Hightower is a good example of exactly what I'm talking about. He suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee and missed almost an entire season in 2009 with surgery after being cut blocked by an Arkansas DL. Take the force of both Hightower's extra maybe 40 pounds and the extra maybe 50 pounds of the Arkansas OL being exerted on that ligament, compared to a similar hit in the early seventies. Muscle mass increases, but I doubt that the durability of ligaments to withstand that kind of force increases in proportion.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:17 am to BamaGradinTn
It’ll be interesting to see how the freshmen do.
We are about to go Big 12 on this schedule, which has me feeling good and bad things.
We are about to go Big 12 on this schedule, which has me feeling good and bad things.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:19 am to alabamabuckeye
Yeah, if Saban brought Sark in for a more run oriented approach there's probably gonna be games he'll need to flip the script on that idea.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:20 am to Robot Santa
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With regard to getting everyone lined up correctly and getting the signals called? Who? Typically it's the FS and an ILB who do that. Our ILBs are now true freshmen. One of them is going to have to do it.
I don't think we'll need to make any changes to (or "dumb down") our defensive schemes, play calling, etc. I think Lee and Dale are probably as mentally ready as they are physically and Harris will catch up mentally pretty quickly. They really just need some college level game experience.
Shane Lee is very smart, has a high football IQ, great instincts and is a "bookworm" studying the playbook, film, etc. Lee and Dale arrived on campus last winter.
Lee, Harris and Dale may make a few mistakes in the first few games as they get settled in, but I think they'll be up to the task by the time we face tougher competition.
I hope the first few teams we play try to exploit the middle of our defense. That'll provide good learning experience for Lee, Harris and Dale.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:23 am to Canyon16
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Yeah, if Saban brought Sark in for a more run oriented approach there's probably gonna be games he'll need to flip the script on that idea.
I just simply refuse to believe that we will need to put up more than 35-40 points in any regular season game to win. Post season, definitely a possibility. But by then, barring more injuries, we should at least be OK.
furthermore, I think that going all air raid on folks would hurt our defense, keeping them on the field for way too long. I think that the Sark/run-first approach is still the play here.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:25 am to Canyon16
Actually, the opposite. I bet we run more now and play possession ball. The last thing you want is to quickly throw a defense back on the field. Thought processing and decision making doesn't get better the more fatigued you are. The fewer plays the D is exposed, the less opportunities for catastrophic disaster.
We'll still have the ability to put up pinball numbers, if need be. If I'm a betting man, Nick goes down tempo.
We'll still have the ability to put up pinball numbers, if need be. If I'm a betting man, Nick goes down tempo.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:27 am to TidalSurge1
I'd love to know exactly how he got hurt. With being thin at LB already, I hope he wasn't going full speed and contact. No need to risk it with our key guys.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:28 am to BamaBo7
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Just got this for a staff member.. guess we will find out. Must be getting ready to sacrifice a chicken for the bad luck.. on a side note.. my D sucks this year and none of my LBers would help us..lol “Good luck Friday night. Hows your D look this year? We will be ok, Lee is a monster, but on injuries Saban has been looking at this hard already. This was the tipping of the dominos”
There is definitely a relationship somewhere between all these injuries that we've sustained at linebacker for the last several years, and other positions, or else Saban would not be looking at it. At some point you have to admit that the frequency of injuries that Bama has, the way players stay banged up constantly, the NFL evaluations, etc. There is something there and it is likely to do with the S&C program. It's not just random chance or bad luck year after year after year.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 11:30 am to DT55Forever1
A lot of ACL injuries are due to wear and tear over an extended time. I would say it has more to do with these kids now enrolling in January for the whole spring workout and schedule as well as a season like ours getting 15 games in it while adding a few extra weeks of practice now each season. This wasn't the case 10 years ago.
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