Does Saban's 2nd chance policy enable players to make poor decisions?

I don't think so. These things happen at every program regardless of how lenient or strict the coach is. It just seems like it happens more at YOUR school.

CNS continuously preaches accountability. That's why I never understood the Jonathan Taylor thing. His DV case from Georgia was still pending. Hard to say he had been held accountable when he hadn't even been punished by the justice system.

Report said gun was on Hooties lap and the stolen one was under Cam's seat.

Or maybe we wait till all the facts are out there. I mean right now we only know what's in the police report and while that is typically accurate, we still need to let the players tell their side and let Coach Saban obtain all the facts and he will make the best choice for the team. JMO.

Outside of rape/assault or crimes like that, I don't mind coach giving them a second chance. These guys messed up majorly, but they didn't hurt anyone besides themselves.

If it was my kid, I'd want Coach to show them some mercy. They have to earn their way back onto the field, but if they're willing to do it, then I'm willing to give them the chance.

Jimmy Johnson is an interesting example. People around the U will tell you that the inmates most definitely did NOT run the asylum. However, Jimmy's discipline only extended to how it affected your ability (and availability) on the field. And he was upfront about having a sliding scale of justice for the stars as opposed to role players.

I do think if Nick gives the appearance of too much leniency here it could sow seeds of problems for the future.

But, at this point, there's no way he's booting these two.

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Its well known that Saban has a heart for first time offenders and gives them second chances, depending on the severity.

Does that policy leave the door open for things like the Cam/Hootie incident to happen?

We CAN'T let these guys stay on the team. Even if the charges get reduced, every knucklehead on the team is going to feel empowered to carry on like fools every chance they get.

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No it doesn't.


Ryan Fowler, is that you?

Kinda like Saban reduced DJ Hall's suspension from a full game to a half game in the middle of the Monroe game in 07. Saban will do with it takes to win.

College kids make poor decisions and its not going to change. Things like this will pop up every 3/4 years.

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Everyone in this thread defending Robinson and Saban's leniency wouldn't and didn't give Urban Meyer the same benefit of the doubt. Cam should be gone. He had a fricking stolen gun in his car. This isn't "boys being boys."

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Most people don't care what the frick Urban Meyer did or did not do.

The way I see the topic is it comes down to what is best for everyone. I hear people claim things like "well if he wasn't good then.." and to that I say - well no fricking shite. Why do you think they have recruiting rankings and such? They are all good.

It comes down to what's best for the team. In some cases, if the attitude is wrong and it's obvious they aren't going to change their ways, then it's best for the team to cut them loose. If it appears they will be better in the future and learn, it benefits nobody to cut them. It hurts the team, the other players on the team and of course it probably hurts the player who just lost the opportunities.

If the wrong choice is made, then it'll end up hurting the team, and that is what happened with Meyers.

What people say about other teams should be the last thing that factors into such a decision.

Cam Rob will still be drafted and make millions in the NFL regardless if he gets kicked off the team or not. Hootie probably wasn't going to make it in the NFL, but he would catch on with another school and graduate with a college degree.

Really the only people who would be affected by them being kicked off the team will be their teammates. Cam being on this year's team could be the difference between a playoff appearance or another Sugar Bowl appearance.