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re: Does Saban see what we see?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:48 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:48 am to pvilleguru
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He was also a bad QB.
Then why was he in the NFL as a backup for 3 to 4 on the Atlanta Falcons? If he is so bad?
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Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2005 Alabama SEC QB 5 7 11 63.6 98 8.9 12.5 2 0 198.5
*2006 Alabama SEC SO QB 13 216 379 57.0 2707 7.1 6.9 17 10 126.5
*2007 Alabama SEC JR QB 13 255 462 55.2 2846 6.2 5.8 18 12 114.6
*2008 Alabama SEC SR QB 14 187 323 57.9 2273 7.0 6.5 10 8 122.3
He wasn't the best at Alabama and had a good deal of interception before his senior year but he was a high 50 percent passer who could throw the ball down field.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:50 am to BamaWins15
The problem is more with Daboll trying to use him like Brady on passing downs, lack of establishing a run game before play action, and not using Hurts' talents.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:51 am to 1BamaRTR
Phillip Sims says hello
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:53 am to TomRollTideRitter
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Talk about how lucky we are to lose against our only good opponent this year.
This is false. Besides, were you saying the same things when we lost games with mecelroy, Mccarron, Sims, and Coker? If you are going to use losses as a reason to bitch about Hurts, at least be fair about it.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:00 am to Funky Tide 8
I'm not really using it as a reason to complain. I'm just saying that the purpose of the board is to talk football. Talking about ways the team can improve doesn't make a fan entitled, spoiled, or whatever.
I think it's fair to say the SEC was A LOT better when these guys were QB, but if they played poorly, then yes I would've been critical of them.
What good team do you think we've beaten this year? LSU lost to Troy. Miss State got killed by AU, UGA, and lost to Ole Miss. Florida State is 5-6.
The SEC is awful this year. Against P5 OOC opponents, the SEC West has I think 2 wins.
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Besides, were you saying the same things when we lost games with mecelroy, Mccarron, Sims, and Coker?
I think it's fair to say the SEC was A LOT better when these guys were QB, but if they played poorly, then yes I would've been critical of them.
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This is false.
What good team do you think we've beaten this year? LSU lost to Troy. Miss State got killed by AU, UGA, and lost to Ole Miss. Florida State is 5-6.
The SEC is awful this year. Against P5 OOC opponents, the SEC West has I think 2 wins.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 8:17 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:31 am to BamaWins15
Here is what I see, the game plan was complete trash. Forcing Jalen to be something he isn't is a stupid way to conduct business, playing scared is also stupid. From the top down it needs to get better. If Jalen stays in he needs to get creative or we lose again. It's simple.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:38 am to TomRollTideRitter
Go ahead and flame away but how much of the QB situation is due simply to the fact that Saban has hard time admitting when he’s wrong? The man is the GOAT but he has his blind spots and his loyalty to his starters is one of them, especially at QB. A perfect example would be McCarron. AJ was the best QB of the Saban era but there were occasions when he did stupid shite that would have gotten any other player chewed out and benched at least for a few plays. AJ usually got his arse chewing but he never got sat down.
Saban doesn’t like to change QBs. I say that’s a weakness. Even just for a half, a qurater or even a series. Jalen was having an awful day Saturday. How much difference might it have made if Saban pulled him for Tua just to let Jalen collect himself? If Tua was lighting it up, you let him finish the game. If we still struggle, after a couple of series, put Jalen back in. It might have changed the outcome. We’ll never know because Saban will never do that.
Saban doesn’t like to change QBs. I say that’s a weakness. Even just for a half, a qurater or even a series. Jalen was having an awful day Saturday. How much difference might it have made if Saban pulled him for Tua just to let Jalen collect himself? If Tua was lighting it up, you let him finish the game. If we still struggle, after a couple of series, put Jalen back in. It might have changed the outcome. We’ll never know because Saban will never do that.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:39 am to TomRollTideRitter
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I'm not really using it as a reason to complain. I'm just saying that the purpose of the board is to talk football. Talking about ways the team can improve doesn't make a fan entitled, spoiled, or whatever.
I hear ya, I agree.
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think it's fair to say the SEC was A LOT better when these guys were QB, b
True, but 2017 AU is every bit as good as most of the teams we lost to in those years.
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What good team do you think we've beaten this year?
I think that LSU and MSU were good teams. Not great, but good.
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LSU lost to Troy.
By this rationale, AU isn't a good team because they lost to the team that lost to Troy.
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. Miss State got killed by AU, UGA, and lost to Ole Miss.
Miss state was playing much better at the end of the year, kind of like AU. They didn't have their QB for the OM game. Not saying they were really good, but that was a "good" win.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:51 am to phil4bama
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Go ahead and flame away but how much of the QB situation is due simply to the fact that Saban has hard time admitting when he’s wrong?
I'm not going to flame you, but to answer your question, not much is due at all to that. And you have no basis for that opinion..
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A perfect example would be McCarron. AJ was the best QB of the Saban era but there were occasions when he did stupid shite that would have gotten any other player chewed out and benched at least for a few plays. AJ usually got his arse chewing but he never got sat down.
that is your perfect example? Ok. quote:
How much difference might it have made if Saban pulled him for Tua just to let Jalen collect himself?
See, this is why you don't get paid to coach. You don't put a true freshman into the game on the road against one of the best pass rushes in the nation when you are still very much in the game. You just dont do it.
Literally your only basis of thinking that Tua would've done better is his performance against scrubs and beat down, defeated defenses. I imagine he looks much different against our defense in practice. You know, the practices that Saban coaches and studies every day. Our whole offense played bad for the most part.
Our offensive failures were team failures, not any one players.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 8:55 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:55 am to Funky Tide 8
bunch of fair weather fans on here. He's a defensive stop away from winning the national title as a true freshman.
He's 3 weeks removed from putting the team on his back and winning the Miss St game
.....now all of a sudden he's the worst QB in the Saban era.
I cant with yall...smh
He's 3 weeks removed from putting the team on his back and winning the Miss St game
.....now all of a sudden he's the worst QB in the Saban era.
I cant with yall...smh
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:58 am to MrBiriwa
I agree with Boz that we have to change our offensive gameplan and philosophy with Jalen as the QB. What we did against Auburn was trash.
Still, I hope to see Tua out there next year so that we can attempt to run more of a pro-style/hybrid system that it seems Daboll wants to run.
Still, I hope to see Tua out there next year so that we can attempt to run more of a pro-style/hybrid system that it seems Daboll wants to run.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:01 am to phil4bama
Putting Tua in was our only change with about 10 minutes left. So the fact Saban didn’t put him in tells me something about Tua makes Saban uncomfortable.
I honestly think Saban has to get to a certain place personally with a qb before he plays them. He has to sort of “get their mind right” as Cool Hand Luke would say. Jalen is sufficiently subservient and docile to play. Tua must need some more breaking.
I honestly think Saban has to get to a certain place personally with a qb before he plays them. He has to sort of “get their mind right” as Cool Hand Luke would say. Jalen is sufficiently subservient and docile to play. Tua must need some more breaking.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:02 am to Funky Tide 8
I agree that AU is a really good team especially at home.
No I didn't say Troy is better than LSU. Good teams don't lose to Sun Belt schools though, and LSU got away with 2 or 3 block in the backs on the punt return that changed the AU game.
I'll say LSU and Miss State are okay wins, but I still think this season hasn't been impressive.
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By this rationale, AU isn't a good team because they lost to the team that lost to Troy.
No I didn't say Troy is better than LSU. Good teams don't lose to Sun Belt schools though, and LSU got away with 2 or 3 block in the backs on the punt return that changed the AU game.
I'll say LSU and Miss State are okay wins, but I still think this season hasn't been impressive.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:06 am to TomRollTideRitter
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He's 3 weeks removed from putting the team on his back and winning the Miss St game
This is a joke right? Is that our standard now? “This guys great. He once beat Mississippi State”. Get outta here with that
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:11 am to Funky Tide 8
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Literally your only basis of thinking that Tua would've done better is his performance against scrubs and beat down, defeated defenses
Isn’t that what Jalen does? Doesn’t he beat up on scrub teams & lose to good ones? Tua hasn’t been allowed to play in a big game. Jalen has, and he can’t cut it.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:12 am to MrBiriwa
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bunch of fair weather fans on here. He's a defensive stop away from winning the national title as a true freshman.
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He's 3 weeks removed from putting the team on his back and winning the Miss St game
I've talked about Jalen's deficiencies since early last season. But, I don't think he's terrible. I just don't think he's very good. However, your statements about him winning are disingenuous. Jalen didn't win shite. The team did. Would Jalen have done those things if he played for Vandy? Would another highly-touted QB playing for Bama just have sat down on the field and done nothing? Football is a team sport, and wins and losses aren't an individual stat.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:15 am to Teague
No. McElroy won the 2009 national championship which his stellar arm just like Jalen won runner up with his.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:27 am to Teague
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Football is a team sport, and wins and losses aren't an individual stat.
Absolutely, and that's the irony of this entire thread. Blaming the 2 losses over the past 2 seasons on Jalen. Or saying Jalen will never win a NC for us based on those 2 losses.
There are many reasons we lost the Clemson game last year, and the Auburn game last week. Spotty QB play is certainly one of those reasons, but not the sole one.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:33 am to The Spleen
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There are many reasons we lost the Clemson game last year, and the Auburn game last week. Spotty QB play is certainly one of those reasons, but not the sole one.
The defense has played well enough to win both games. The offense has been the issue in both losses and it revolves around QB play, the game plan, and in-game adjustments.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:35 am to River_City_Tider
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quote:He's 3 weeks removed from putting the team on his back and winning the Miss St game This is a joke right? Is that our standard now? “This guys great. He once beat Mississippi State”. Get outta here with that
Who said anything about that being a standard? It's a statement of fact, Jalen won the game with his legs and arm. It was a clutch moment when we were sucking arse. Who gives a shite if it was MSU.
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