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re: Does Saban see what we see?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:44 am to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:44 am to CrimsonBoz
The discussion here is whether Jalen is the answer at quarterback. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it seems to me the new offense is a failed experiment. And Jalen just can’t be a pocket passer like AJ. He doesn’t have the ability.
Jalen would have been Bryant’s greatest wishbone qb. He would have excelled in the old veer. But what good is he in the modern era? Do we want to be Georgia Tech and run some outmoded offense?
We need a real qb who can pass first. Jalen will never do that. He doesn’t have the mental quickness to process the field.
Jalen would have been Bryant’s greatest wishbone qb. He would have excelled in the old veer. But what good is he in the modern era? Do we want to be Georgia Tech and run some outmoded offense?
We need a real qb who can pass first. Jalen will never do that. He doesn’t have the mental quickness to process the field.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:48 am to BamaWins15
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Does Saban see what we see?
Not a single person on this board has a better perspective of the situation than Saban.
The hubris of some fans is ridiculous. Saban is the GOAT. We know essentially nothing relative to him.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:54 am to East Coast Band
AJ is currently on an NFL roster with 2 NC rings.
McElroy is working for ESPN, has 1 NC ring and played a few meaningful snaps in the NFL.
Coker won an NC and was a damn sight better passer than Jalen.
That's 3 that were definitely better until Jalen can win an NC. And last year, had he been a better passer, we would have likely won that NC. Coker's ability to pass and find the open man was a primary reason we won it in 2014.
McElroy is working for ESPN, has 1 NC ring and played a few meaningful snaps in the NFL.
Coker won an NC and was a damn sight better passer than Jalen.
That's 3 that were definitely better until Jalen can win an NC. And last year, had he been a better passer, we would have likely won that NC. Coker's ability to pass and find the open man was a primary reason we won it in 2014.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:04 am to Fells
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Not a single person on this board has a better perspective of the situation than Saban
Of course not. But Saban has been (and hopefully will continue to be) the greatest recruiter of all time and a defensive genius. He is no offense genius. And honestly you don’t have to be with near NFL defenses and superior talent to everyone you play.
Offensively, Saban has been trying to respond to trends that he is uncomfortable in dealing with. Remember is HUNH rant a few years ago.
Then he downsized some linemen and went for more lateral speed in defensive personnel. But he also tried to introduce new elements into the offense. That’s when “make their arse quit” died.
He should have stuck to our smash mouth football while implementing his defenseibe reforms.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:05 am to 3down10
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but Jalen also scored and took the lead the last time he touched the ball and gave us a good sized lead before that as well in the game.
I see this all the time. It's like people forget that Bama had to call a wide receiver reverse pass to get the ball in scoring position. It was the best pass thrown by an Alabama player all game.
1. Tua
2. McCarron
3. Coker
4. Sims
5. Hurts
6. The Ginger
7. JPW
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:10 am to River_City_Tider
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new offense is a failed experiment
They never fully committed to it, they set Jalen up to fail from day 1. If I see them truly commit to running Jalen's strengths and we still lose so be it. But, seeing as we have a shot to be in the playoffs they better figure that out.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:16 am to CrimsonBoz
Jalen had success against MSU because they don't have the personnel to cover Ridley like Auburn did (and other better defenses). If you take away Ridley it forces Jalen to make more than 1 read, which isn't a strength of his.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:18 am to Culverhouse13
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Jalen had success against MSU because they don't have the personnel to cover Ridley like Auburn did (and other better defenses). If you take away Ridley it forces Jalen to make more than 1 read, which isn't a strength of his.
He also ran for first downs and threw passes to people not named Ridley. Yes Ridley had a few good catches but Smith made the play to win it.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:24 am to Culverhouse13
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If you take away Ridley it forces Jalen to make more than 1 read, which isn't a strength of his.
Think you have him confused with Blake Sims.
This fan base is so spoiled. Is this what a loss does to you guys? No one is saying Jalen is Cam Newton but to read some of these post, you'd think Jalen wasn't even deserving of a D1 offer.
Folks want to blame Jalen for the losses but give him zero credit for the wins.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:24 am to CrimsonBoz
Yea I know he played well late and was clutch for us. I'm just saying there is a reason opposing teams talk about how taking Ridley away is a priority when facing Bama.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:30 am to River_City_Tider
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This is a joke right? Is that our standard now? “This guys great. He once beat Mississippi State”. Get outta here with that
Your right. He stinks. Tua should have been starting vs AU. I mean...what was Saban thinking?
Process Jalen!!
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:31 am to MrBiriwa
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No one is saying Jalen is Cam Newton
Gary Danielson said he was for some reason.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:38 am to MrBiriwa
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Think you have him confused with Blake Sims.
No, Sims was a better passer than Jalen.
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No one is saying Jalen is Cam Newton but to read some of these post, you'd think Jalen wasn't even deserving of a D1 offer.
And no one is saying he's Brandon Avalos, either. Jalen has his strengths. Going through progressions isn't one of them.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:46 am to phil4bama
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Go ahead and flame away but how much of the QB situation is due simply to the fact that Saban has hard time admitting when he’s wrong? The man is the GOAT but he has his blind spots and his loyalty to his starters is one of them, especially at QB. A perfect example would be McCarron. AJ was the best QB of the Saban era but there were occasions when he did stupid shite that would have gotten any other player chewed out and benched at least for a few plays. AJ usually got his arse chewing but he never got sat down.
Saban doesn’t like to change QBs. I say that’s a weakness. Even just for a half, a qurater or even a series. Jalen was having an awful day Saturday. How much difference might it have made if Saban pulled him for Tua just to let Jalen collect himself? If Tua was lighting it up, you let him finish the game. If we still struggle, after a couple of series, put Jalen back in. It might have changed the outcome. We’ll never know because Saban will never do that.
Changing a QB mid game rarely seems to help a team.
Every time teams do it against us, it just seems to make things worse for that team. Sumlin was so quick to do that, and so was Richt.
Hell, I saw Richt do it again with Miami against Virgina this past weekend, still lost.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:24 am to CrimsonBoz
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They never fully committed to it, they set Jalen up to fail from day 1. If I see them truly commit to running Jalen's strengths and we still lose so be it. But, seeing as we have a shot to be in the playoffs they better figure that out.
So we should try a new scheme instead of a new player. Reasonable.
I just can’t recall a team that’s ever won it all with Jalen’s skillset. He’s great at what he’s great at, but you can’t scheme around a quarterbacks inability to consistently make quick reads and accurately deliver the football down field. If a QB can’t do that then a defense can sell out to stop everything else. When a defense has to respect that then everything else opens up. If you have the horses to do everything else, now you’re damn hard to defend. These spread/RPO attacks that gave Saban fits all had quarterbacks that could drive the ball down the field.
I do agree that the playcalling isn’t a fit for Jalen. I would say it’s a fit for the rest of the team though (some pistol or ace wouldn’t kill us though). We see guys running open fairly often. Those are good play calls, our talented receivers are getting wide open, our Quarterback has decided to run towards the sideline at this point though.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:21 pm to CrimsonBoz
JMO but Nick and Daboll need to cutback on the receiver numbers. Add more TE's and RB's. Reduce the decisions in the passing game for Jalen....add more rollouts. The defense will catch on to the scheme no doubt but as of TODAY asking Jalen to throw the ball with 4 wides is just f'ing stupid. We need a quicker back in the backfield for dump off passes. I would have thought Daboll would have seen some of the Pat's offense.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:30 pm to BamaWins15
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It seems to me that Hurts cannot won the NC.
Literally one defensive play away from being a National Champion QB.
Left the field in 2015 after having given Alabama the lead.
Beat out two highly recruited upperclassmen for his job.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:34 pm to Lordofwrath88
Forget for a moment who the QB is...just look at the 3rd down conversions against the best teams we play. As of today a pass attempt is a wasted down.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:54 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Forget for a moment who the QB is...just look at the 3rd down conversions against the best teams we play. As of today a pass attempt is a wasted down.
Should we also forget, for a moment, that 3 of those third downs should've absolutely been made by the receiver and were not at all Jalen's fault? All three were pass plays. That would've put us over 50% on third downs, and would have likely completely changed the game.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:10 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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JMO but Nick and Daboll need to cutback on the receiver numbers. Add more TE's and RB's. Reduce the decisions in the passing game for Jalen....add more rollouts. The defense will catch on to the scheme no doubt but as of TODAY asking Jalen to throw the ball with 4 wides is just f'ing stupid. We need a quicker back in the backfield for dump off passes. I would have thought Daboll would have seen some of the Pat's offense.
Preach it.
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