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re: DeBoer’s First Year

Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:05 pm to
Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2588 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:05 pm to
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One other complaint I'd register about CKD's first year is how dissappointing the offense was.


He and Grubb were a packaged deal for a week.
Posted by FoTownBam
Foley Al
Member since Oct 2023
3405 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:16 pm to
B- to C+
Win against UGA and blowing out LSU were pluses, but not having the team prepared against Vandy and Oklahoma were complete failures. We’ll see how he does next season. I still think the future is bright
Posted by Bamafan4evr12
Member since Jul 2014
2176 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:55 pm to
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Easy to say. Saban was prepping for Chattanooga before barn last year.
DeBoer had to go on the road to Norman.
Saban never had to prepare for a conference game before barn. Ever.


DeBoer had Mercer before going to Norman. And they should've learned from the Vandy game to not take any SEC opponent for granted

Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
7670 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Vandy game to not take any SEC opponent for granted


Defense was ready. They only gave up 10 points.

Hard to win when your offense scores 14 for the other team and can only muster 3 for themselves. Hard to blame Milroe's performance on DeBoer. Now... if you want to blame DeBoer for not benching Milroe, I'll accept that. But to say that the team wasn't prepared is a hard argument to make especially when the defense played well enough to win. Seems like they did learn from Vandy. At least the defense did.
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
1068 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:36 pm to
I think it's obvious this team as a whole wasn't mentally tough. Saban usually was able to keep the team focused from week to week, but DeBoer isn't to that level yet.

I think the Vandy loss was a function of the players believing the season was over after dominating Georgia for a half. Even the second-half comeback by Georgia wasn't enough to disabuse them of the notion they were the best in the country and could just show up without giving maximum effort.

The Oklahoma game was a combination of the players discounting Oklahoma and the coaching staff having two weeks of tremendous offensive success with the games against LSU and Mercer. I think the staff believed their power QB run approach would work against Oklahoma; they didn't take into account how good Oklahoma's defense was, nor did they consider Venables' reputation as a defensive coach and his ability to scheme (especially having an off week to prepare).

Add to the overconfidence of players and coaches a Jekyll-and-Hyde quarterback, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

My hope is DeBoer has a better grasp now on the SEC as a whole and on Alabama in particular, and will be better prepared to navigate the schedule next year.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
7670 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 1:43 pm to
Well said.
Posted by NWLA_Bama
Member since Aug 2024
566 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 3:49 pm to
This team did more chirping in the media the past two years than any Bama team in the last 17 years. They talked a lot and ultimately couldn't back up all the talk. I'll be glad when this group of players cycles out of the system. As Saban says "We need hunting dogs, not show dogs".
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
4102 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 4:35 pm to
I don’t know. I’ve been open minded about DeBoer but I he doesn’t seem like a guy that can handle it. He’s got a laid back approach that I don’t see making it here. I hope I’m wrong. I hope he gets his guys in and here and starts wrecking shite. I don’t see it at the moment though. Again, prove me wrong coach, I’d love for it to happen.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3732 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:29 pm to
OK, let me come at this sentiment this way, just for devil's advocate purposes.

People say that "laid-back approach" won't work here because Saban recruited people "who wanted to be yelled at and pushed."

Saban doesn't coach here anymore.

What if DeBoer, unlike Saban, recruits self-starters who don't need to be yelled at and pushed?

Things aren't completely, eternally, forevermore set in stone in this sport ...
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 5:30 pm
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
4102 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 5:48 pm to
I’m talking about the laid back way with life just as much as coaching. He seems passive in his interviews not “I’m the alpha in the room” guy. Don’t get me wrong, that way can work too, I hope, but I like some cocky tough attitude from my coach.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3732 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 6:33 pm to
Fair take but I am more interested in the bottom line.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
9036 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:05 pm to
I do not give a shite if he gives them ice cream cones as long as they stay eligible and win ball games.
Posted by Bobby4Bama
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
92 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:29 pm to
Yeah it shows. KD..." we should hear announcements sometime Monday".

Starting QB...."Naw..I got other plans".

They can't even get on the same page even with this stuff.

Smh.

Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
3845 posts
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:41 pm to
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Yeah it shows. KD..." we should hear announcements sometime Monday".


All he said was Milroe and Booker would let the team know as far as I saw. He didn't say anything about the media or public.
Posted by NWLA_Bama
Member since Aug 2024
566 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:05 am to
We struggled and still got to 9-3 in his first year. That says SOMETHING about him. He could have easily gone 7-5 or worse. The narrative about "he had all that talent" is a bunch of BS because we had so much talent transfer out after Saban retired and then had to replace them with either lesser talent or completely green talent. So it's not like he inherited the 2001 Miami Hurricanes.

And whether people want to admit it or not, there's been a lot of locker room drama this season that spilled over from last season. I'm personal friends with one of the players who is now transferring, and he said he just wants out and a new start. It was one of the main reasons Seth Mclaughlin transferred as well. There are a handful of players that need to cycle out of the program...

Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
1068 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:28 am to
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The narrative about "he had all that talent" is a bunch of BS because we had so much talent transfer out after Saban retired and then had to replace them with either lesser talent or completely green talent.


According to Greg McElroy this morning on WJOX, Alabama was fifth (or sixth -- I can't remember which) in the nation in 2024 in portal impact. Our overall loss was 33 players. A total of 47 transferred out, and 14 transferred in. Only a handful of other teams in the country were affected that much, and I only recognized one of them -- New Mexico State.

I know most of us on this site realize this, but you still hear the mantra "DeBoer inherited one of the most talented rosters in football." That's demonstrably false. I knew the portal hurt us this year, but I didn't realize the overall gap was that large.
Posted by TriedtosignuponceB4
Member since May 2021
257 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:31 am to
I can't imagine that it wouldn't have leaked out within minutes, if Milroe had announced it to the team yesterday. I just don't think it happened.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19298 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 8:51 am to
B minus

I expected a 10-2 regular season. 9-3 isn’t that much of a miss.

The only game I really scratch my head at was the Oklahoma game. Just didn’t seem prepared to play on either side of the ball.

A big part of whether we won or lost was whether Milroe could throw the ball when he got rattled. For the most part that was a no.
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
783 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:22 pm to
We still had 27 five stars on the roster. Doesn’t excuse the coaching staff not having the team prepared against Oklahoma and Vandy.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
7670 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:47 pm to
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I do not give a shite if he gives them ice cream cones as long as they stay eligible and win ball games


The idea that BAMA needs a hard-arse R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket style coach is just myopic.
You telling me prime Pete Carroll couldn't win at BAMA?
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 3:50 pm
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