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re: DeBoer Dynasty
Posted on 1/5/26 at 7:40 am to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 1/5/26 at 7:40 am to scottydoesntknow
There are folks that are my youngest brother-in-law’s age that don’t even remember anything prior to Saban. They don’t remember losing to LaTech one week then beating Florida at their peak in the Swamp. They don’t remember getting the doors blown off them by Southern Miss or a miserable loss in cold rain to Central Florida when they were barely started as an FBS program. They weren’t alive for it. As far as they know, Alabama is a 1000 year football reich that ought to dominate everyone as matter of fact.
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Posted on 1/5/26 at 8:09 am to Diego Ricardo
Yeah and Curt Cignetti is their fuhrer in waiting. So help me God I have grown so tired of hearing about that dude I hope Oregon stomps an absolute mudhole in his arse.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 8:15 am to InkStainedWretch
Oh, I've got some more. I remember sitting through a monsoon only to see Alabama squander a 21pt lead to Arkansas in the 2nd half and lose in overtime. I remember flying to Fayetteville and watch us lose in overtime due to a missed PAT. When Saban beat Arkansas - yes fricking Arkansas - in 2007 with a GWing TD with under 30 seconds remaining, it was cathartic because winning or losing against Arkansas was essentially a bell weather on the trajectory of the season (pretty good or bad).
Posted on 1/5/26 at 8:17 am to Diego Ricardo
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miserable loss in cold rain to Central Florida
F me I was there
Posted on 1/5/26 at 8:23 am to JoylessMurderball
Lol. Okay, bud.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 8:50 am to UASports23
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With that being said…He is recruiting well in HS but he has to adapt more to the portal IMO. We need more veteran leadership, etc. That’s a critical thing that has been missing and it’s not something to take lightly.
They need to take an approach of bringing in high school recruits, separating the wheat from the chaff during offseason practices, and telling the guys who are clearly at least a year or two away from contributing that they are being redshirted to maintain full eligibility at their next program. Then replace whatever that number of players is with portal guys who you know can contribute immediately in some way. You have to assume that any conversation about "we like you and think you'll be a great player, but you need to be patient and work on a lot to get there" will not be received well. That era is long gone and never coming back.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 8:59 am to scottydoesntknow
Would you say our o-line is talented, but poorly coached? I’d say they’re very talented, but Kap is an awful coach. I’d go further to say that they’re faced with a bad position coach and an OC with a poor scheme. A lot of the woes on the line revolved around protections that Ty was changing. He was identifying a front, changing protection, then wrecking the play. Changing protection is pretty standard by what the QB is seeing; it’s not difficult. Grubb’s ultimately the designer of those protection calls with QB coach/o-line coach collab through the season. How that wasn’t adjusted effectively proves to me that we got out coached in a lot of games. When people were complaining about Ty changing the “play”, he wasn’t, he was changing the protection most of the time. And when we had slide protection going in the same direction as our check-down, we were running the defense right into a safety valve that was needed because of a bad check and poor protection.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:06 am to SPennington
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Would you say our o-line is talented
Proctor and maybe Carrol. Proctor was a terrible fit for the scheme. I dont disagree that the coaching wasnt there. The OL coach has to go
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:27 am to BamaGradinTn
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This is lunacy. If he doesn't show improvement next year, he absolutely should be fired. Period.
How do you determine improvement? Is it making the SECCG your second year in when you didn’t make it your first year? Is it making the playoffs and winning a playoff game your second season when you didn’t make the playoffs your first season?
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How in the ever loving frick is having the worst running game in over 100 years of Alabama football an improvement?
Well, most people with the capacity for abstract thought look at the last two seasons and see this as an improvement for the reasons mentioned above. It’s impossible to argue this season wasn’t an improvement when you look at the SECCG appearance and the making the playoffs and winning a playoff game when we did neither last year.
Improvement isn’t based on rushing stats alone. I guess If we have the best rushing stats in the SEC next season with 7 wins will you be happy? You will think we improved?
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The notion that we can't demand competence because of whatever Auburn may have done is just plain stupid.
If you think DeBoer is an incompetent coach you have serious problems. He isn’t. But you can’t build a respectable program around firing coaches every three years, it’s just not possible. Your program looks like it’s not a serious program and you loose millions in the process, it’s got nothing to do with what Auburn is doing, but the barn and LSU are great examples of what emotional decision making will do to your football program.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:31 am to Alfie Solomons
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It’s impossible to argue this season wasn’t an improvement when you look at the SECCG appearance and the making the playoffs and winning a playoff game when we did neither last year.
It’s nice that we made the SECCG and the quarterfinals/Rose Bowl but hard to hang your hat on that when both led to historic blowouts where the team quit in the first half at the first sign of adversity.
Hang the banners I guess.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:39 am to FairhopeTider
He will get 2026 for sure. He is on the clock now.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:43 am to FairhopeTider
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hard to hang your hat on that
This board really struggles with reading fundamentals.
I’m not celebrating the results, I’m simply saying this season is an improvement from last season. You don’t fire a second year head coach that showed improvement.
Again, who do you replace him with? I’d love to hear the ridiculous answers.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:53 am to Alfie Solomons
Alabama's final Sagarin rating for the 2025 season is 85.49, or 15th-best in the country. Last season it was 87.89, or 8th. In both cases, the computer model is taking into account the quality of opponents Alabama faced in each season — and Alabama's strength of schedule is currently the nation's second-hardest for 2025.
Many of the raw stats favor what Alabama did in 2024 over its 2025 output:
Alabama scored less points per drive (2.63) in 2025 than the 2.74 it scored in 2024.
Alabama gave up more points per drive (1.64) on defense than the 1.30 it allowed in 2024.
Alabama's offense gained 5.6 yards per play in 2025 compared to 6.3 in 2024.
Alabama's defense allowed 4.9 yards per play in 2025 compared to 4.7 in 2024.
Alabama converted 41.7% of its third downs offensively in 2025 after converting 47.3% in 2024.
Alabama's opponents converted 36.9% of third downs in 2025 compared to 32.3% in 2024.
Alabama scored touchdowns on 71.7% of red zone trips in 2025 compared to 74.5% in 2024.
Alabama allowed touchdowns on 52.5% of red zone trips in 2025 compared to 45.9% in 2024.
Alabama's offensive play success rate slipped from 49.5% in 2024 to 47.4% in 2024.
Alabama's net yards per pass attempt dropped from 8.7 last season to 7.6 this season.
Alabama's running backs averaged 4.0 yards per carry, which was 127th in the country, after averaging 4.8 yards per carry in 2024.
Overall, the Tide's 3.4 yards per rush in 2025 were the worst since 1998 and third-worst since 1969.
Alabama went three-and-out on 30.6% of its offensive drives in 2025, exactly matching its rate in 2024.
Alabama significantly reduced its offensive turnover rate from 12.7% in 2024 to 6.9% in 2025, but its defensive turnover rate declined from 17.3% to 11.4%. The result was a plus-7 turnover margin in 2025 that was equal to 2024's margin.
Did Alabama have a clutch factor in 2025? In some games, yes. In some games, no. Overall, Alabama scored on 28.6% of its offensive drives while trailing in the second half this season. In 2024, the Tide scored on 30.4% of its second-half drives when trailing.
Many of the raw stats favor what Alabama did in 2024 over its 2025 output:
Alabama scored less points per drive (2.63) in 2025 than the 2.74 it scored in 2024.
Alabama gave up more points per drive (1.64) on defense than the 1.30 it allowed in 2024.
Alabama's offense gained 5.6 yards per play in 2025 compared to 6.3 in 2024.
Alabama's defense allowed 4.9 yards per play in 2025 compared to 4.7 in 2024.
Alabama converted 41.7% of its third downs offensively in 2025 after converting 47.3% in 2024.
Alabama's opponents converted 36.9% of third downs in 2025 compared to 32.3% in 2024.
Alabama scored touchdowns on 71.7% of red zone trips in 2025 compared to 74.5% in 2024.
Alabama allowed touchdowns on 52.5% of red zone trips in 2025 compared to 45.9% in 2024.
Alabama's offensive play success rate slipped from 49.5% in 2024 to 47.4% in 2024.
Alabama's net yards per pass attempt dropped from 8.7 last season to 7.6 this season.
Alabama's running backs averaged 4.0 yards per carry, which was 127th in the country, after averaging 4.8 yards per carry in 2024.
Overall, the Tide's 3.4 yards per rush in 2025 were the worst since 1998 and third-worst since 1969.
Alabama went three-and-out on 30.6% of its offensive drives in 2025, exactly matching its rate in 2024.
Alabama significantly reduced its offensive turnover rate from 12.7% in 2024 to 6.9% in 2025, but its defensive turnover rate declined from 17.3% to 11.4%. The result was a plus-7 turnover margin in 2025 that was equal to 2024's margin.
Did Alabama have a clutch factor in 2025? In some games, yes. In some games, no. Overall, Alabama scored on 28.6% of its offensive drives while trailing in the second half this season. In 2024, the Tide scored on 30.4% of its second-half drives when trailing.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:54 am to Alfie Solomons
quote:This is entirely reasonable.
I’m not celebrating the results, I’m simply saying this season is an improvement from last season. You don’t fire a second year head coach that showed improvement.
Again, who do you replace him with? I’d love to hear the ridiculous answers.
It would also be reasonable to say that in Y3 we need to see a bigger leap than we saw (especially with regard to units that had dropoff this year) from Y1 to Y2.
What that leap should probably look like is a better run game of any kind, a defense that doesn't get flatfooted against teams who run to the edge, takes better angles, etc. An O-Line that is better at communicating and filling gaps, a QB who can trust his line with time and make at least 2-3 reads, and backs that can block and have speed.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:56 am to Diego Ricardo
quote:And we had squandered a lead in that one, too.
When Saban beat Arkansas - yes fricking Arkansas - in 2007 with a GWing TD with under 30 seconds remaining, it was cathartic because winning or losing against Arkansas was essentially a bell weather on the trajectory of the season (pretty good or bad).
Posted on 1/5/26 at 9:58 am to Alfie Solomons
You’re struggling with reading as well. I’m not saying fire DeBoer. I’m saying it’s hard to call this season some clear “improvement” when we literally opened the season with the FSU thumping and closed it the same way on huge stages in two of the final 3 games with one against another team with a second year head coach. We began and ended the year with games where we looked unprepared, outcoached, and our will to compete disappeared as soon as it got hard.
So sure, the résumé bullet points look better on paper but the bookends of the season are two beatdowns that looked like coaching and readiness issues, that undercuts the whole “steady progress” argument.
Call it a better résumé but the underlying issue did not look much better.
So sure, the résumé bullet points look better on paper but the bookends of the season are two beatdowns that looked like coaching and readiness issues, that undercuts the whole “steady progress” argument.
Call it a better résumé but the underlying issue did not look much better.
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:01 am to SPennington
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Alabama's final Sagarin rating for the 2025 season is 85.49, or 15th-best in the country. Last season it was 87.89, or 8th.
Impressive cut and paste skills. Remind me, when the Sagarin championship trophy ceremony again?
Who cares?
So you just care that we improve statistically? If the Sagarin rating is better next year and we don’t make the playoffs will you be on here defending DeBoer?
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:04 am to FairhopeTider
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You’re struggling with reading as well.
Don’t forget the beatdown in the SECCG.
Every team in the playoffs ends their season with a loss except one.
I’m not defending the season as some great accomplishment, but it’s not worth of being fired. That is it, that’s my whole point.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:08 am to Alfie Solomons
Trust me, I didn’t forget it. That’s why I said 2 of the final three games.
And every team except one ends in a loss, but doesn’t mean we have to end it with our worst bowl loss in school history.
And every team except one ends in a loss, but doesn’t mean we have to end it with our worst bowl loss in school history.
Posted on 1/5/26 at 10:10 am to BamaGradinTn
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the results were an improvement this year over last season.
This is factually untrue. See the thread I started with actual data that 247 sports collected. We declined from last year. Another 2 year with this decline and we'll be bottom tier in SEC.
This post was edited on 1/5/26 at 10:37 am
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