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Can we all agree that this is a pivotal moment for Jalen?
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:22 pm
Meaning, what happens against Clemson could very well solidify his hold on the qb position, or effectively end it.
I know there are a few who feel Jalen is in a solid position at qb, and others who expect Tua to actually play some in the playoffs. But I think very few feel Jalen can afford to preside over another failed offensive effort and expect to have any shot to retain his starting job.
And that makes me wonder if Jalen is feeling this extra pressure. Does he feel that this is his “high noon” so to speak?
Do you feel this will be his day of reckoning?
A “day of reckoning” is defined as a testing time when the degree of ones success or failure is revealed”.
I think he can survive if the offense is productive, even if we lose. But if the offense struggles badly, and we continuously turn the ball back to Clemson, I don’t think he comes back from it.
Definitely the most important game he’s ever played from a career standpoint. The developmental phase has to end. Judgement must be passed. If this year ends badly for him, I don’t think the coaches or the fanbase are up for another year of waiting and hoping for Jalen to reach his potential.
Amazingly, under Saban we haven’t had a qb start for two successive years without a title. I know that is an absurdly high standard to put on anyone, but it’s fact and Jalen’s not a frosh anymore. He has two full years under his belt and an extremely talented player sitting on the bench behind him.
And what of Tua? Can you imagine the potential consequences for him? In effect this is also THE pivotal moment for him.... at least at Bama. And he may not even get the chance to participate in it.
It is apparent that neither the fan base nor coaching staff have the stomach to replace a “successful” quarterback. And it is obvious that, at Alabama, quarterbacks tend to get an over abundance of credit for winning and perhaps too much of the blame when things go badly. So both Jalen and Tua’s future careers could be literally determined by a fourth quarter bounce of the ball.
This last scenario is the most repulsive to me. It is why, when reasonable doubt about two players exists, both should play, at least some. Otherwise, mere chance plays too much role in both young mens’ futures, as well as the future of the team. And that is an anathema to fair play.
I know there are a few who feel Jalen is in a solid position at qb, and others who expect Tua to actually play some in the playoffs. But I think very few feel Jalen can afford to preside over another failed offensive effort and expect to have any shot to retain his starting job.
And that makes me wonder if Jalen is feeling this extra pressure. Does he feel that this is his “high noon” so to speak?
Do you feel this will be his day of reckoning?
A “day of reckoning” is defined as a testing time when the degree of ones success or failure is revealed”.
I think he can survive if the offense is productive, even if we lose. But if the offense struggles badly, and we continuously turn the ball back to Clemson, I don’t think he comes back from it.
Definitely the most important game he’s ever played from a career standpoint. The developmental phase has to end. Judgement must be passed. If this year ends badly for him, I don’t think the coaches or the fanbase are up for another year of waiting and hoping for Jalen to reach his potential.
Amazingly, under Saban we haven’t had a qb start for two successive years without a title. I know that is an absurdly high standard to put on anyone, but it’s fact and Jalen’s not a frosh anymore. He has two full years under his belt and an extremely talented player sitting on the bench behind him.
And what of Tua? Can you imagine the potential consequences for him? In effect this is also THE pivotal moment for him.... at least at Bama. And he may not even get the chance to participate in it.
It is apparent that neither the fan base nor coaching staff have the stomach to replace a “successful” quarterback. And it is obvious that, at Alabama, quarterbacks tend to get an over abundance of credit for winning and perhaps too much of the blame when things go badly. So both Jalen and Tua’s future careers could be literally determined by a fourth quarter bounce of the ball.
This last scenario is the most repulsive to me. It is why, when reasonable doubt about two players exists, both should play, at least some. Otherwise, mere chance plays too much role in both young mens’ futures, as well as the future of the team. And that is an anathema to fair play.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 6:53 am
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 12:25 am to River_City_Tider
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Meaning, what happens against Clemson could very well solidify his hold on the qb position, or effectively end it.
Mostly agree. If we herp derp to a 14-13 win on the back of the defense though, Jalen will get another crack at it in the title. It’s why he hasn’t been yanked, he’s a part of a team that wins. The warning signs have been there, but it’s hard for even Saban to yank an incumbent starter that’s winning and not turning the ball over, even if he is playing poorly in other aspects
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:14 am to River_City_Tider
As far as Coach Teague is concerned, it's put up or shut up time. And, I don't just mean Bama wins or Bama loses. I mean, Jalen looks like a good QB, or he doesn't. Coach Teague actually made up his mind quite a while ago, but he's willing to listen to persuasive arguments from Jalen himself about why he should be at the front of the QB line come spring. He needs to come with a strong argument though.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:32 am to River_City_Tider
He has had 2 years to show that he is a competent quarterback and all we have seen is that he is an elite athlete. With the talent around him we can beat most teams on the schedule regardless so lots of us have supported him because his play has only cost us 2 games so far. Guys, we are a good quarterback away from having an unstoppable offense. It is time to quit dumbing down the offense trying to hide the fact that we can't use our receivers for anything other than short passes and roll with the legit dual threat guy on the bench.
A single threat quarterback is fine as long as the threat is his arm. A quarterback that can only run severely limits what you can do and automatically makes you putrid on third down.
The Jalen Hurts era should be over already but I have a feeling that Saban trots him out there to run for his life wasting yet another opportunity at a championship. How any coach is ok with what Hurts brings to the table baffles the frick out of me. May as well just play the triple option with only one wide receiver.
A single threat quarterback is fine as long as the threat is his arm. A quarterback that can only run severely limits what you can do and automatically makes you putrid on third down.
The Jalen Hurts era should be over already but I have a feeling that Saban trots him out there to run for his life wasting yet another opportunity at a championship. How any coach is ok with what Hurts brings to the table baffles the frick out of me. May as well just play the triple option with only one wide receiver.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:05 am to Commander Data
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May as well just play the triple option with only one wide receiver.
If you think about it, with our backs, Jalen’s running abilities, and the trouble teams have preping for teams like Ga Tech, I don’t see how this could be less effective than the monstrosity of an offense we have seen lately.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:10 am to River_City_Tider
It's also up to his OC and surrounding players to help him out. Let's not place all of the offensive woes on Jalen.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:16 am to Mobtro
It’s a team game. But the latest theory being advanced that the offense doesn’t fit Jalen’s skill set doesn’t necessarily mean we should change the offense. It could mean we should sit Jalen.
I mean, my employer doesn’t change my job requirements to fit my skill set. He expects me to conform to the requirements.
I mean, my employer doesn’t change my job requirements to fit my skill set. He expects me to conform to the requirements.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 7:25 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:24 am to Mobtro
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It's also up to his OC and surrounding players to help him out. Let's not place all of the offensive woes on Jalen.
People do need to cut that out. The OC play calling in regards to Jalen is has been sub par. IF we want to win with Jalen we need the OC to make a game plan around his strengths. Oh and our OL is about average so he may not want to dial in those 6 second slow developing plays 40 yards down field. Clemson will murder us if we do that.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:35 am to CrimsonBoz
My intention wasn’t to put all the blame on Jalen. It was simply to point out that the game would most likely determine his future.
And I believe it.
You may have valid points about the offensive scheme, but if we lose to Clemson, no one will be in the mood to listen to it.
Look at what the Auburn game did to his rep. He lost two thirds of the fan base. Most fans are too dumb to anticipate the future and two bottom line oriented to care about the whys and the wherefores.
Also, maybe the coaches simply don’t want to revamp their entire offense to accommodate him.
And I believe it.
You may have valid points about the offensive scheme, but if we lose to Clemson, no one will be in the mood to listen to it.
Look at what the Auburn game did to his rep. He lost two thirds of the fan base. Most fans are too dumb to anticipate the future and two bottom line oriented to care about the whys and the wherefores.
Also, maybe the coaches simply don’t want to revamp their entire offense to accommodate him.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 7:39 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 7:53 am to River_City_Tider
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My intention wasn’t to put all the blame on Jalen.
I know you weren't
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It was simply to point out that the game would most likely determine his future. And I believe it.
It absolutely does, and I hate that because if he gets screwed with a horrible game plan, again, it will still be labeled his fault.
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You may have valid points about the offensive scheme, but if we lose to Clemson, no one will be in the mood to listen to it. Look at what the Auburn game did to his rep. He lost two thirds of the fan base. Most fans are too dumb to anticipate the future and two bottom line oriented to care about the whys and the wherefores. Also, maybe the coaches simply don’t want to revamp their entire offense to accommodate him.
This is one of the things I hate about our fanbase. They look past the 700 Mistakes made by people not named Jalen (He isn't blameless btw), and the abysmal game plan, it was plain awful. I have never seen well actually I have, an OC do things that were completely opposite of what was working when he clearly saw us roll right down the field on them.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:21 am to CrimsonBoz
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This is one of the things I hate about our fanbase. They look past the 700 Mistakes made by people not named Jalen (He isn't blameless btw), and the abysmal game plan, it was plain awful. I have never seen well actually I have, an OC do things that were completely opposite of what was working when he clearly saw us roll right down the field on them.
Not to mention that there were three failed third down pass plays in the second half where the player on the other end of the pass failed to execute. Total game changers.
I agree that this is a pivotal moment for Jalen. That's pretty obvious. The opportunity is there for him, and its great. He will either cement himself as an Alabama football legend, or potentially lose his position to Tua. Could be both, could neither. We'll see.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:42 am to CrimsonBoz
the actual "real skills" a man needs to be considered a legit qb are some of the skills jalenjust does not show consistently. can he read a defense, probably. yet he's painfully slow at it. can he make that quick slant throw? not consistently at all, he's to slow. when he speeds up he's wild with the throw. jalens ball placement is not good for a championship caliber qb.
now, after all that, and there's more, one has to decide what are you willing to give up in order to continue with jalen, hoping he gets better. how many big games are you willing to lose?
i have no problem thinking that myself and most people want jalen to be the superstar qb he no doubt dreamed of being when he was a kid. but lets be honest here. back when his dad was teaching him to be emotionless he should have been teaching him to read defenses faster and throw into tight coverage.
now, after all that, and there's more, one has to decide what are you willing to give up in order to continue with jalen, hoping he gets better. how many big games are you willing to lose?
i have no problem thinking that myself and most people want jalen to be the superstar qb he no doubt dreamed of being when he was a kid. but lets be honest here. back when his dad was teaching him to be emotionless he should have been teaching him to read defenses faster and throw into tight coverage.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:50 am to Funky Tide 8
I'll be honest - I'm at the point now where I quite frankly don't care about anything other than finding a way to win the next 2 games.
If we don't, then I'll move on to whatever the secondary game within the game situation is for the future of individuals or the program.
If we don't, then I'll move on to whatever the secondary game within the game situation is for the future of individuals or the program.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'll be honest - I'm at the point now where I quite frankly don't care about anything other than finding a way to win the next 2 games.
This is all that matters
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then I'll move on to whatever the secondary game within the game situation is for the future of individuals or the program.
This will happen whether the team wins or loses.
I've said it hundreds of times, but it never ceases to amaze me how large segments of our fanbase think Saban has any greater priority other than winning the next game on the schedule. He'll play whomever he thinks gives him the best chance to do so. When the season is over, then he'll turn to who he thinks gives him the best chance to beat Louisville in September 2018 and those people will be on the field.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'll be honest - I'm at the point now where I quite frankly don't care about anything other than finding a way to win the next 2 games.
Yep I am there and keep pitting myself into these conversations. I am done with it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:03 am to JustGetItRight
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I've said it hundreds of times, but it never ceases to amaze me how large segments of our fanbase think Saban has any greater priority other than winning the next game on the schedule. He'll play whomever he thinks gives him the best chance to do so. When the season is over, then he'll turn to who he thinks gives him the best chance to beat Louisville in September 2018 and those people will be on the field.
Bro, come on, don't you know that Bubba from Gardendale knows what decisions Saban should be making better than Saban?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:03 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'll be honest - I'm at the point now where I quite frankly don't care about anything other than finding a way to win the next 2 games.
^^^^
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:24 am to Funky Tide 8
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the abysmal game plan, it was plain awful. I have never seen well actually I have, an OC do things that were completely opposite of what was working when he clearly saw us roll right down the field on them.
This is what the spread/HUNH has done to offensive football in the college game.
Especially to an offensive unit at a school like Bama. Left frustrated after watching BO title game effort against Clemson
or Damian runs.when we really had to have a answer an opponents score drive.
But then to only self abandoned it as if the opposing defenses stopped it.
It is so in-explainable how we have all these people up top in the Booth as consultants and especially coach burns
who should be blowing somebody ears off on the head phones to get back to the run setting up the pass.
I found myself shaken my head after watching the first drive after half time of the Iron bowl.
How easy it was and this was BO not even running at top speed.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:29 am to Funky Tide 8
It’s funny though. When the quarterback is discussed, your a yahoo from Gardendale questioning Saban. But when the topic is
Offensive scheme
Playcalling
Utilzation of running backs
Which Olinemen to play and where
Etc
your no yahoo. Your a respected board member making valid observations.
I guess in these instances we can blame the assistant. But when it comes to QB, we’re implicating Coach Saban. And that you cannot do.
But in fact, Saban is responsible for all of it.
Offensive scheme
Playcalling
Utilzation of running backs
Which Olinemen to play and where
Etc
your no yahoo. Your a respected board member making valid observations.
I guess in these instances we can blame the assistant. But when it comes to QB, we’re implicating Coach Saban. And that you cannot do.
But in fact, Saban is responsible for all of it.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:33 am to Funky Tide 8
I really believe that Jalen will have an amazing game... I expect him to throw for 279 yards with 3 touchdown, while rushing for 87 yards. Ridley, Ruggs and Jeudy having big game.
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