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Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:40 am to RollTide33
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:40 am to RollTide33
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Michigan won last year, and georgia the year before
Neither of those offenses were 3 yards and a cloud of dust.
Do they not both run very similar schemes to Bama before Bama switched to the spread?
Pro style??
Defense wins championships mentality
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:42 am to Crimson97
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In the past Bama teams wouldn't have let VANDY push them around for 3 yards a pop in the 4th quarter.
We let 5-7 Auburn team running the wishbone with a QB who couldnt throw push us around for 318 rush yards at 7.4 YPA 2 years ago.
We let a 6-6, and worse Auburn offense than the one we played Saturday, run for 244 yards and 5.8 YPA just last season.
We let a 5-7 Arkansas team run for 187 yards at 3.7 YPA 2 years ago.
We let a 6-6 Florida team run for 244 yards at 5.7 YPA 3 years ago.
If you didn't know that the 2024 defense was under new administration and just had all the stats from the season in front you compared to the prior 5 years you would assume that it was the same scheme run by the same coaches. It's that similar overall and across the board.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:50 am to Section 80
Lane Kiffin coming in as OC changed everything
Bama was based on defense winning championships when Saban first arrived
It worked great and then in 2013 they lost to aub on a fluke and a bad decision by Saban (should have never kicked that FG) and then the philosophy changed to offense winning championships
In 2015 they had the best RB of this generation and in 2014 they didn't use him enough
If they stayed true to the defense they would have won in 2016 also because that defense was left hung out to dry by an incompentent offense instead of one that compliments the defense.
We got Tua and 2017 out of it, plus the 2020 year which in hindsight does deserve some kind of an *
But we also got stomped in 2018 because of this shift and now we are here looking at Mich and UGA win NC's with the old Bama model of defense wins championships style of football.
Clemson also won with great Defenses don't let Lawrence and Watson fool you, clearly we can see they were not as good as the media portrayed them.
Bama was based on defense winning championships when Saban first arrived
It worked great and then in 2013 they lost to aub on a fluke and a bad decision by Saban (should have never kicked that FG) and then the philosophy changed to offense winning championships
In 2015 they had the best RB of this generation and in 2014 they didn't use him enough
If they stayed true to the defense they would have won in 2016 also because that defense was left hung out to dry by an incompentent offense instead of one that compliments the defense.
We got Tua and 2017 out of it, plus the 2020 year which in hindsight does deserve some kind of an *
But we also got stomped in 2018 because of this shift and now we are here looking at Mich and UGA win NC's with the old Bama model of defense wins championships style of football.
Clemson also won with great Defenses don't let Lawrence and Watson fool you, clearly we can see they were not as good as the media portrayed them.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:53 am to Crimson97
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Deboer seems to be moving away from Sabans philosophy on beating your opponent 1 play at a time and thus wearing them down in the fourth quarter and is instead focused on the outcome of winning the game.
We're a mirror image of the team we were last year. We were a play or two away from losing to a 5 win Auburn and a 4 win Arkansas, plus needed an onsides kick recovery to seal the deal against a 6 loss A&M. We also had a touchdown lead over South Florida in the fourth quarter. Not to mention the Texas debacle.
Deboer lost over 50 players from that team to the draft or portal which includes Downs, Latham, Turner, Arnold, Kool-Aid, Braswell, Key, Eboigbe, Bond, Amos, etc.
I don't know why people are acting like the sky is falling when hiccups were inevitable given the transition and how much talent we lost from a team that was dangerously close to losing four games.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:56 am to Section 80
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plus the 2020 year which in hindsight does deserve some kind of an *
You lost me here
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:57 am to Section 80
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We got Tua and 2017 out of it, plus the 2020 year which in hindsight does deserve some kind of an *
So you've let envious LSU fans gas light you into thinking that team was illegitimate because it dominated teams on the road with "half capacity" despite it being played in stadiums we mostly hadn't lost at in nearly a decade? Never mind the fact that UGA, Auburn and a 9-1 A&M were forced to play in Bryant-Denny at half capacity.
Don't be a cuck.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:05 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
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We're a mirror image of the team we were last year. We were a play or two away from losing to a 5 win Auburn and a 4 win Arkansas, plus needed an onsides kick recovery to seal the deal against a 6 loss A&M. We also had a touchdown lead over South Florida in the fourth quarter. Not to mention the Texas debacle.
Deboer lost over 50 players from that team to the draft or portal which includes Downs, Latham, Turner, Arnold, Kool-Aid, Braswell, Key, Eboigbe, Bond, Amos, etc.
I don't know why people are acting like the sky is falling when hiccups were inevitable given the transition and how much talent we lost from a team that was dangerously close to losing four games.
100%. People continue to compare the 2024 team to the 2011-2020 teams as if that was what the last few years were. The advanced stats agree as well.
FEI Ratings - Ovr (Off, Def)
2024 - #8 (17, 9)
2023 - #9 (20, 8)
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:06 pm to Crimson97
I just don’t want to hear any of our current o linemen mention fricking murderball again. Mainly because they don’t have a fricking clue what that means
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:11 pm to Woody4daTide9
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I just don’t want to hear any of our current o linemen mention fricking murderball again. Mainly because they don’t have a fricking clue what that means
Our last 4 SEC games we ran for an average of 213 yards per game and 5.0 YPA. We ran for 271 vs Missouri, 311 vs LSU and 201 vs Auburn.
We got the ball on our 5 yard line leading by 14 pts with 11:42 to play in the game and proceeded to grind out an 8 minute drive that forced them to call all their timeouts and left them 4 minutes left down 2 scores and all but put the game away by running the ball straight at Auburn's face for 13 plays. We literally ended the game by punching them in the mouth when they knew that is exactly what we were going to try and do.
I'd guess we haven't had a more dominant month running the football in 5 years or more.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Are there any advanced analytics on the number of negative run plays we have had this year as compared to the previous few years?
Feels like we have multiple per drive and sometimes they are for a 3 yard loss.
Feels like we have multiple per drive and sometimes they are for a 3 yard loss.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:13 pm to Crimson97
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Are there any advanced analytics on the number of negative run plays we have had this year as compared to the previous few years?
Feels like we have multiple per drive and sometimes they are for a 3 yard loss.
We had similar numbers to the last couple of years the first half of the season. We drastically improved on it the 2nd half of the year.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:13 pm to Crimson97
I think DeBoer is capable of bully ball. We just need to continue to improve the O Line (which has been an issue for a few years).
Also I think having a less mobile qb then Jalen will make us use the running backs more, which I think will be good for consistency in the running game. While Jalen can sometimes go off and dominate on the ground, sometimes he is shut down (see Oklahoma) and then the offense totally sputters.
I liked seeing Jam get 28 carries the other day. Even though he only averaged 3 yards a a carry, I want to see us continue to feed our talented running backs like that and develop some more of that bully ball mentality.
Also I think having a less mobile qb then Jalen will make us use the running backs more, which I think will be good for consistency in the running game. While Jalen can sometimes go off and dominate on the ground, sometimes he is shut down (see Oklahoma) and then the offense totally sputters.
I liked seeing Jam get 28 carries the other day. Even though he only averaged 3 yards a a carry, I want to see us continue to feed our talented running backs like that and develop some more of that bully ball mentality.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:14 pm to bodask42
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I think DeBoer is capable of bully ball. We just need to continue to improve the O Line (which has been an issue for a few years).
Also I think having a less mobile qb then Jalen will make us use the running backs more, which I think will be good for consistency in the running game. While Jalen can sometimes go off and dominate on the ground, sometimes he is shut down (see Oklahoma) and then the offense totally sputters.
I liked seeing Jam get 28 carries the other day. Even though he only averaged 3 yards a a carry, I want to see us continue to feed our talented running backs like that and develop some more of that bully ball mentality.
Agree. We also ran the ball with the RBs pretty well against Oklahoma. The QB making bad reads both in in the read game and in his decisions to bounce runs was what doomed things there (and all the other mistakes).
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:30 pm to Section 80
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Welcome to college football 2024. How many three yards and a cloud of dust offenses are winning the big trophy? Every year if you run for 3.5 3 times in a row thats a first down!
Works every time until you have a penalty of any kind and you punt.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 6:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
How was murder ball against okie?
Posted on 12/3/24 at 6:23 pm to Woody4daTide9
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How was murder ball against okie?
It made the wrong read and ran to the sideline on every play.
The running backs averaged about 5 yards a pop.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 6:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Doesn’t sound like murder ball my man
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:10 pm to cdur86
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plus the 2020 year which in hindsight does deserve some kind of an *
You lost me here
Covid? not a normal season??
Not every team played a normal schedule, I love that 2020 team still and they are one of the best if not the best offensive team Bama has ever had but that doesn't change the fact that was not a normal season at all.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:12 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
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So you've let envious LSU fans gas light you into thinking that team was illegitimate because it dominated teams on the road with "half capacity" despite it being played in stadiums we mostly hadn't lost at in nearly a decade? Never mind the fact that UGA, Auburn and a 9-1 A&M were forced to play in Bryant-Denny at half capacity.
Don't be a cuck.
Has nothing to do with LSU fans, I still post 21-0 as a comment here and there. To act like 2020 was just like every other year is lying to yourself tho
That season should have a * next to it that says it was played during covid and that was not a normal season, it is what it is you think i like it?
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:15 pm to Section 80
for the record i think the 2020 team is better and would beat the 2019 lsu team
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