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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:30 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:30 am to RollTide1987
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It really isn't. The OL has been a problem all year. Everyone knows this.
It really is. The ILB position has been a problem for years. Everyone knows this.
The defense has been a problem for years. Everyone knows this as well.
One last point for fun... guess who gets torched just as much as Jobe when in coverage? That's right.. our ILBs.
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:38 am to YStar
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This is as stupid as someone saying Evan Neal is the best lineman in the country and would win the award for best weekly so our problem doesn't lie in OL, the coach or our blocking.
No it isn't. Our ILBs are the weak point in our front 7, but overall the front 7 has been elite this season. We're #5 in rush defense and #6 in sacks. What more do you want from them? The secondary, which Frodo doesn't coach, is the problem with this defense. The safeties in particular. Charles Kelly should be getting waaaaay more heat than he is.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:46 am to Robot Santa
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The secondary, which Frodo doesn't coach, is the problem with this defense. The safeties in particular. Charles Kelly should be getting waaaaay more heat than he is.
Nick Saban designs the schemes and technique for our DBs. He also helps coach them during every practice.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 8:00 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:15 am to TidalSurge1
I think it is just safe to say we had some talented DBs leave for the NFL the last few years and the current ones are not as talented 
Think Kool Aid and hopefully Jackson/Harris get us back on track
Think Kool Aid and hopefully Jackson/Harris get us back on track Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:59 am to Bear88
Full disclosure: I was a Golding defender in 2019, and in early 2020. I thought the injuries at ILB, and being forced two play two true freshmen, were the reason for our struggles that year.
I'm now completely off the Golding train. As others have said (including Saban as well, apparently), he's a defensive savant, and can scheme with the best of them. I believe the problem is he cannot communicate his vision effectively, creating confusion and hesitancy in key moments.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to critique specific players' responsibilities and techniques on any given play. However, I CAN tell when a player is hesitant, or is looking to others (or the sideline) when the ball is snapped to get their assignment.
We're running Saban's defense, and will as long as he's here. However, each DC is allowed to tweak things. Pruitt was allowed to simplify many of the calls to increase the speed of play from the defense and allow them to attack more.
I think Saban likes Golding because he can scheme up a defense on any given play to effectively stop whatever the offense plans to run. To do that, though, the defensive calls have to be necessarily complex; that allows the defense to shift into the "best" option right before the snap. In my opinion, Saban LOVES that sort of flexibility and versatility from his defense.
The problem is, it takes too long to get those signals relayed from the sideline, and then communicated from the Mike to the rest of the defense. In addition, as Saban noted in his call-in show last week, a single signal from the sideline can mean multiple things, depending on the formation. As a result, we have busted coverages, lack of discipline, and linebackers hitting the wrong gaps in rush or blitz lanes.
As others have said, when we simplify our defensive calls (e.g. Ole Miss and MSU, two of the better offenses this year), our defense can play an exceptional game. To me this is proof that our scheme is overly complex.
I don't think it's a talent issue at all. I think it boils down to communication, and I think Golding isn't good at it.
I'm now completely off the Golding train. As others have said (including Saban as well, apparently), he's a defensive savant, and can scheme with the best of them. I believe the problem is he cannot communicate his vision effectively, creating confusion and hesitancy in key moments.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to critique specific players' responsibilities and techniques on any given play. However, I CAN tell when a player is hesitant, or is looking to others (or the sideline) when the ball is snapped to get their assignment.
We're running Saban's defense, and will as long as he's here. However, each DC is allowed to tweak things. Pruitt was allowed to simplify many of the calls to increase the speed of play from the defense and allow them to attack more.
I think Saban likes Golding because he can scheme up a defense on any given play to effectively stop whatever the offense plans to run. To do that, though, the defensive calls have to be necessarily complex; that allows the defense to shift into the "best" option right before the snap. In my opinion, Saban LOVES that sort of flexibility and versatility from his defense.
The problem is, it takes too long to get those signals relayed from the sideline, and then communicated from the Mike to the rest of the defense. In addition, as Saban noted in his call-in show last week, a single signal from the sideline can mean multiple things, depending on the formation. As a result, we have busted coverages, lack of discipline, and linebackers hitting the wrong gaps in rush or blitz lanes.
As others have said, when we simplify our defensive calls (e.g. Ole Miss and MSU, two of the better offenses this year), our defense can play an exceptional game. To me this is proof that our scheme is overly complex.
I don't think it's a talent issue at all. I think it boils down to communication, and I think Golding isn't good at it.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:20 am to YStar
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The ILB position has been a problem for years. Everyone knows this.
But it's not the problem this year.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:42 am to RollTide1987
Nakobe Dean selected Kirby over Bama. That was/is a problem and Henry selected Pruitt over Bama as well.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:54 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
You misspelled $elected. 
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:07 am to Sauron
Nick is going to answer the Pete Golding issue one way or the other within 3 more weeks (until the ink is dry on the class).
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:07 am to Alabama_Fan
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That's in 11 games. You know the N'damukong Suh year everyone shits their pants over? He had 12 sacks and 20.5 TFL in 14 games. I know those are harder to rack up at Defensive Tackle but holy shite
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:40 am to Glorious
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:11 pm to Sauron
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Full disclosure: I was a Golding defender in 2019, and in early 2020. I thought the injuries at ILB, and being forced two play two true freshmen, were the reason for our struggles that year.
I'm now completely off the Golding train. As others have said (including Saban as well, apparently), he's a defensive savant, and can scheme with the best of them. I believe the problem is he cannot communicate his vision effectively, creating confusion and hesitancy in key moments.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to critique specific players' responsibilities and techniques on any given play. However, I CAN tell when a player is hesitant, or is looking to others (or the sideline) when the ball is snapped to get their assignment.
We're running Saban's defense, and will as long as he's here. However, each DC is allowed to tweak things. Pruitt was allowed to simplify many of the calls to increase the speed of play from the defense and allow them to attack more.
I think Saban likes Golding because he can scheme up a defense on any given play to effectively stop whatever the offense plans to run. To do that, though, the defensive calls have to be necessarily complex; that allows the defense to shift into the "best" option right before the snap. In my opinion, Saban LOVES that sort of flexibility and versatility from his defense.
The problem is, it takes too long to get those signals relayed from the sideline, and then communicated from the Mike to the rest of the defense. In addition, as Saban noted in his call-in show last week, a single signal from the sideline can mean multiple things, depending on the formation. As a result, we have busted coverages, lack of discipline, and linebackers hitting the wrong gaps in rush or blitz lanes.
As others have said, when we simplify our defensive calls (e.g. Ole Miss and MSU, two of the better offenses this year), our defense can play an exceptional game. To me this is proof that our scheme is overly complex.
I don't think it's a talent issue at all. I think it boils down to communication, and I think Golding isn't good at it.
I agree with everything you said. The bolded portion really resonates with me. All the great teachers can break down complex concepts into at least fairly simple nuggets.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:14 pm to Sauron
This is probably pretty spot on, and I shared this exact same thought until about the A&M game. The main thing that has changed in my opinion of Golding, his scheme, and the defense is here:
And here:
I’m not saying that you are wrong, as the fact that Saban keep’s him around probably points to your statements being correct; but given how efficient opposing teams are on 3rd and 4th down conversions against us, I’m not so sure that Golding actually can scheme up the perfect defense on any given play.
Now whether that is due to scheme or miscommunication, I’m not exactly sure. But both end with the same result, and that result is not good. It is probably a combination of both to varying degrees.
Additionally, after three/four years as DC, I’m not even sure what Golding’s “scheme” really is. Kirby liked to control the pocket and affect the QB, which involved a lot of mush rush. As you said, Pruitt simplified the defense, and was more aggressive in getting after the quarterback, rather than Kirby’s control the pocket and “affect” the QB.
With Golding, I’m really not even sure what his overarching philosophy is because on consecutive 3rd and Longs; we will rush 3 and drop 8, then on the next 3rd down we will blitz both ILBs into the same gap, then on the next passing situation we will drop Will Anderson 15 yards deep and run a delayed safety blitz.
I get you want to keep the offense guessing and off balance, but some of the calls Golding makes seem like he’s just trying to get too cute, and he ends up outsmarting himself. We’re so inconsistent with what we try to do from drive to drive that I couldn’t even tell someone what Golding’s actual game plan is.
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As others have said (including Saban as well, apparently), he's a defensive savant, and can scheme with the best of them.
And here:
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I think Saban likes Golding because he can scheme up a defense on any given play to effectively stop whatever the offense plans to run.
I’m not saying that you are wrong, as the fact that Saban keep’s him around probably points to your statements being correct; but given how efficient opposing teams are on 3rd and 4th down conversions against us, I’m not so sure that Golding actually can scheme up the perfect defense on any given play.
Now whether that is due to scheme or miscommunication, I’m not exactly sure. But both end with the same result, and that result is not good. It is probably a combination of both to varying degrees.
Additionally, after three/four years as DC, I’m not even sure what Golding’s “scheme” really is. Kirby liked to control the pocket and affect the QB, which involved a lot of mush rush. As you said, Pruitt simplified the defense, and was more aggressive in getting after the quarterback, rather than Kirby’s control the pocket and “affect” the QB.
With Golding, I’m really not even sure what his overarching philosophy is because on consecutive 3rd and Longs; we will rush 3 and drop 8, then on the next 3rd down we will blitz both ILBs into the same gap, then on the next passing situation we will drop Will Anderson 15 yards deep and run a delayed safety blitz.
I get you want to keep the offense guessing and off balance, but some of the calls Golding makes seem like he’s just trying to get too cute, and he ends up outsmarting himself. We’re so inconsistent with what we try to do from drive to drive that I couldn’t even tell someone what Golding’s actual game plan is.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:20 pm to Hawaiian Punch
If (we don't) had a elite interior DL (not named Anderson) that could defeat their blocker and rush the passer then some of these problems wouldn't be seen as often. UGA is getting huge payoff for #99 wrecking shite play after play thus maybe hiding some of the shortcomings of their defense.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:21 pm to Hawaiian Punch
I hope we've put out some feelers for Jimmy Lake.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:51 pm to Hawaiian Punch
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I’m not saying that you are wrong, as the fact that Saban keep’s him around probably points to your statements being correct; but given how efficient opposing teams are on 3rd and 4th down conversions against us, I’m not so sure that Golding actually can scheme up the perfect defense on any given play.
Now whether that is due to scheme or miscommunication, I’m not exactly sure. But both end with the same result, and that result is not good. It is probably a combination of both to varying degrees.
I'm basing some of my opinions on the story (which may be apocryphal) of Golding just blowing Saban away during his interview by whiteboarding various defensive schemes. If he can impress Saban like that, I think the man understands defense.
I didn't play any football beyond high school (waaaay back in the early 80s), and our scheme was amazingly simple: As a defensive end, my job was to take one step past the line of scrimmage after the snap and react to whatever was happening at that point. So my football knowledge is suspect at best.
Here's what I THINK happens with our defense: We have a lot of "if/then" checks based on the offense's formation and known tendencies. Golding knows all this stuff very well, but the players don't.
So, say it's third-and-eight (or some other typical passing down). We substitute accordingly, and then Golding starts messaging the defense. But the offensive set changes with motion, and suddenly we need to revise what we're doing. Golding knows what defense to call for that, but it takes too long to get the signal in (because we now have different responsibilities for EVERYONE except two down linemen), and we have six guys who aren't sure if they're supposed to be handling their original responsibility or the new responsibility. Add to the confusion over one hand signal meaning several different things based on the formation, and you get confusion and busts.
In theory, Saban loves the idea that our defense should be able to shift based on the offense. And Golding can honestly tell him (and I'm sure film review backs this up), "I told the guys what to play, but they didn't do it correctly."
But obviously something isn't working properly. I refuse to believe that guys playing their second or third year of defense in our system (during a period when the DC / system hasn't changed) aren't smart enough to understand what they're supposed to do. I think they're getting confused because the defensive call changes shortly before the snap, and they play hesitantly / slow as a result.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 6:15 pm to Sauron
We dropped to #3 in the CFP rankings
Posted on 11/23/21 at 6:22 pm to alabamabuckeye
It will all play out in a couple of weeks.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 6:44 pm to alabamabuckeye
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We dropped to #3 in the CFP rankings
Seems irrelevant. If Bama wins out, they are #1. If Bama loses to Georgia, they are out of top 4.
Only curious scenario would be lose to Auburn and beat Georgia. Probably #4 then?
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:10 pm to elposter
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