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Posted on 8/21/23 at 4:49 pm to CrimsonBoz
Posted on 8/21/23 at 4:49 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I mean we all melted after this game, but after i watched this again. We were beating AM’s arse and then all the turnovers came.
The game should have been completely out of reach and ended with us having 40+ points.
I’m not as worried about Milroe as I thought I was.
Reichard was off, he makes those and nothing AM does matters. We probably sweat some but are like ok.
I think the Milroe thing is exactly what most of us know and acknowledge. Rees and his style of offense with misdirection and QB runs and easy throws will give Milroe a chance to be pretty good most of the time. There will be easy yards for him to get running and on easy throws. If we can run the football (the key to the entire season) then he will have a chance to do some good stuff.
When we play a great defense or can't run the ball and he has to make a bunch of tough throws, I just don't think we can expect him to do that. And at that point we'll either just have to run the football with him and the backs and hope we can grind clock and yards and score enough and rely on the defense to play well. How many teams fit that box? Depends on how good we are at moving people off the ball in the run game when we want to.
That all assumes he does a much better job of not turning it over. If he's turning it over he will not be playable.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 4:55 pm
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Posted on 8/21/23 at 4:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think the Milroe thing is exactly what most of know and acknowledge. Rees and his style of offense with misdirection and QB runs and easy throws will give Milroe a chance to be pretty good most of the time. There will be easy yards for him to get running and on easy throws. If we can run the football (the key to the entire season) then he will have a chance to do some good stuff. When we play a great defense or can't run the ball and he has to make a bunch of tough throws, I just don't think we can expect him to do that. And at that point we'll either just have to run the football with him and the backs and hope we can grind clock and yards and score enough and rely on the defense to play well. That all assumes he does a much better job of not turning it over. If he's turning it over he will not be playable.
It has to be that. Easy throws, run a lot, let him run sometimes, etc.
The AM game plan was working until fumbles.
Frankly the defense didn’t play bad either.
It’s weird going back and watching this again. I missed stuff.
The big if here is when we face a team that shuts the run down, can we pass?
Buchner has a romance with Law I’m digging right now. All I’m saying is the 2 guy better be ready because that game could come way quicker than we think.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:01 pm to CrimsonBoz
You left out the Jase McClellan fumble against A&M. Nobody ever mentions it. It was our 4th turnover.
I also rewatched the A&M game a few months ago and a highlight reel of Milroe at Bama and I forgot how wyly and hard to sack he is. Time after time he avoids sacks, year after year. He played in 2020 some too.
Anyone saying Milroe is not good at avoiding sacks is objectively wrong.
Also, Bryce had lots of trouble in the pocket, held on to the ball way too long, and got called for more intentional groundings than any Bama QB I've ever seen and Bryce got away with at least 20 more IGs. He's also struggling to stay in the pocket in Carolina with another awful offensive line. Bryce was never used properly at Bama. He was a real dual threat at MD and they didn't let him run enough at Bqma and it cost us at times. We only beat UGA because he kept running all over them and our D balled out. His passing stats came mostly after he burned them with his legs.
There were games we could have won last year if Bryce had been willing to run more, but he was already injured. I love Bryce and he was an incredible player but IMO, he's a dual-threat, he is not going to succeed as a pocket passer like Eli and Peyton, you've got to let him move around and do his thing.
Milroe had zero second half turnovers.
Alabama's defense is going to have to score some points too. Outside of the Tennessee game last year I don't remember our D being a factor to score. But in our championship seasons our D and special teams score a lot, like the blocked punt by Minkah Fitzpatrick that he took to the house against UGA in 2015.
Downs is someone who can score with the football, he was an outstanding RB and WR in high school. And Dallas Turner we know has done some scoring on D.
I also rewatched the A&M game a few months ago and a highlight reel of Milroe at Bama and I forgot how wyly and hard to sack he is. Time after time he avoids sacks, year after year. He played in 2020 some too.
Anyone saying Milroe is not good at avoiding sacks is objectively wrong.
Also, Bryce had lots of trouble in the pocket, held on to the ball way too long, and got called for more intentional groundings than any Bama QB I've ever seen and Bryce got away with at least 20 more IGs. He's also struggling to stay in the pocket in Carolina with another awful offensive line. Bryce was never used properly at Bama. He was a real dual threat at MD and they didn't let him run enough at Bqma and it cost us at times. We only beat UGA because he kept running all over them and our D balled out. His passing stats came mostly after he burned them with his legs.
There were games we could have won last year if Bryce had been willing to run more, but he was already injured. I love Bryce and he was an incredible player but IMO, he's a dual-threat, he is not going to succeed as a pocket passer like Eli and Peyton, you've got to let him move around and do his thing.
Milroe had zero second half turnovers.
Alabama's defense is going to have to score some points too. Outside of the Tennessee game last year I don't remember our D being a factor to score. But in our championship seasons our D and special teams score a lot, like the blocked punt by Minkah Fitzpatrick that he took to the house against UGA in 2015.
Downs is someone who can score with the football, he was an outstanding RB and WR in high school. And Dallas Turner we know has done some scoring on D.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:03 pm to Othello
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You left out the Jase McClellan fumble against A&M. Nobody ever mentions it. It was our 4th turnover.
We were on the way to blowing that game open, too. They hadn't stopped us running the football all day, were about to surrender and we were marching towards going up 3 scores.
Then we go turnover and a Pete specialty - immediately giving up a score off a short field. And from then on out things just unraveled. It was the sort of 6-7 play sequence that summed up last season's team to a t.
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Also, Bryce had lots of trouble in the pocket, held on to the ball way too long, and got called for more intentional groundings than any Bama QB I've ever seen and Bryce got away with at least 20 more IGs. He's also struggling to stay in the pocket in Carolina with another awful offensive line.
He always wants to find the perfect throw, which I love, but it also opens him up to sacks, missing easy throws and the fact that sometimes he frankly cannot see over guys to make an easy get out of trouble short throw just to get 2-3 yards and keep moving forward.
And like you said, our offense was shite - both in general and for a guy who is so good on the move directing traffic and in space like Bryce. Every great play he made on the move was improvised, we never ran stuff that purposely got him on a rollout or out on the edge with pass options. The amount of waste with him the last 2 years is about as frustrating as anything I can remember as a sports fan.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:07 pm to CrimsonBoz
About how many drops during the scrimmage were from Niblack, Dippre, and the RBs? I ask because Milroe's strength as a passer is obviously the deep ball. It's the only thing that he times well and throws accurately on a consistent basis. So in light of that, and Rees' history of heavily involving the TE in the passing game, I could actually see him being reasonably effective if those guys are athletic and sure handed enough to successfully make adjustments to passes that are less than ideally placed. Drops on downfield shots aren't nearly the killer that something underneath on 3rd and 5 is.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:07 pm to Othello
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Jase comes in and coughs the ball up. AM Ball.
I said it here.
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Alabama's defense is going to have to score some points too.
Totally agree
And agree Bryce should have run much more than he did.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:07 pm to CrimsonBoz
I made this same analogy last wk about Milroe , but on a smaller scale.
There’s no doubt he had the jitters going into that game. He made some mistakes but so did other players. The defense made King look better than he was. Leading up to that game King was playing poorly and King had his Garcia moment that night
There’s no doubt he had the jitters going into that game. He made some mistakes but so did other players. The defense made King look better than he was. Leading up to that game King was playing poorly and King had his Garcia moment that night
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:10 pm to Robot Santa
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About how many drops during the scrimmage were from Niblack, Dippre, and the RBs?
Don’t think Niblack dropped one, RB’s caught there’s minus maybe 1.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:10 pm to Robot Santa
If you haven't, go watch videos of Notre Dame games in general or specifically Notre Dame games with Buchner at QB. And not to watch Buchner specifically (which is funny, since he's here now) but to watch how Rees will call a game with a guy who is basically a running back playing QB. Everything is moving - RBs, TEs, WRs. Tons of misdirection. Tons of QB runs. Tons of pocket movement off PA. Tons of easy throws to RBs/TEs in the flats off of motions. I'd imagine everything is going to look like that with any of our QBs, but especially Milroe. Combine that with what we're told is a pretty solid TE group and a running back who is great out of the backfield catching the ball in Jase, and I'm guessing the offense is gonna be lots of swings/motion into the flat easy throws to TEs and safety options to WRs (with jet sweeps and screens, too).
And that's the sort of stuff I doubt we show much of any of in spring or even in open scrimmages. Or even MTSU for that matter.
And that's the sort of stuff I doubt we show much of any of in spring or even in open scrimmages. Or even MTSU for that matter.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yep. Excited to see him call a game
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:21 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think a lot of us have concerns about the team this year, but I don’t think Rees is one. I’m cautiously optimistic there. BoB drove me absolutely insane with his 2009 NFL offense.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:21 pm to bamabenny
Our offense will be annoying as hell to defend
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:21 pm to Bear88
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Yep. Excited to see him call a game
From what I read from Notre Dame writers/fans who seemed pretty football smart and unemotional, it sounds like Rees is very smart but can get inside his own head at times for stretches of a game.
To be frank, it sounds like Rees has a ton of Lane Kiffin in him - both positive and negative. He sees everything before it happens, has a fantastic mastery of how to set up Z with X and Y early on, etc, but that also leads to him sometimes almost getting lost in making the perfect call or exploiting a certain weakness he sees to such an extent that he loses track of the general feel of the game. The hope would be that the heavy hand of the GOAT will help with that like it did with Lane.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:24 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Jase comes in and coughs the ball up. AM Ball.
I said it here.
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Alabama's defense is going to have to score some points too.
I'm sorry Boz. I must have skimmed over it. My apologies.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah I mean I'm not going to sit here and say I'm really confident in Milroe or anything. He's got plenty of physical gifts, but just doesn't seem to process quickly enough to run a sophisticated passing system like what we had when Sark was OC. But Milroe could absolutely pull off something akin to what we had in 2014 with Lane and Sims. As long as we have someone with the hands and athleticism to carry the load on the underneath stuff it can work. Niblack and the RBs not having the dropsies will help a lot. Jase could be a major pass game weapon too.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Bottom line in my mind is this - if this offensive line lives up to it's potential and can move the LOS then we have a chance to be a very consistent and difficult to defend offense, even if the QB isn't a consistent passer.
If they are inconsistent or just flat out underperform in the run game, we are royally fvcked. The entire season rests at their feet.
If they are inconsistent or just flat out underperform in the run game, we are royally fvcked. The entire season rests at their feet.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I am also fully prepared for the initial vanilla as Jake Pope gameplan against MTSU in which we just kind of bludgeon them while doing little motion or movement, Milroe goes 11/18 for 130 yards and we win 34-7.
THAT WON'T CUT IT NEXT SATURDAY AGAINST TEXAS PAWL!!!!
THAT WON'T CUT IT NEXT SATURDAY AGAINST TEXAS PAWL!!!!
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Sims would have been a horrible QB if we had anyone other than Lane calling the plays
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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, we never ran stuff that purposely got him on a rollout or out on the edge with pass options. The amount of waste with him the last 2 years is about as frustrating as anything I can remember as a sports fan.
So frustrating! And I do feel Rees is a young mind that is college based and itwill lhelp us improve in those areas because it looks like Milroe, Simpson, and Buchner and maybe Lonergan too can all do RPI and roll out type stuff.
This post was edited on 8/21/23 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 8/21/23 at 5:36 pm to Othello
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So frustrating! And I do feel Rees is a young mind that is college based and it help us improve in those areas because it looks like Milroe, Simpson, and Buchner and maybe Lonergan too can all do RPI and roll out type stuff.
Can you imagine if we were going into this season with these 4 guys and BoB was still in charge?
What we have now might not work, but that would be guaranteed not to work.
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