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Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:00 pm to BigFolks6347
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:00 pm to BigFolks6347
Evan Neal is having his "Welcome to the NFL" game, he's getting obliterated.
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:01 pm to Robot Santa
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Give the 2nd year QB no weapons, fail to improve a middling OL, hire a terrible coach whose entire career has been spent on the defensive side of the ball as your OC, blame the QB when the offense predictably struggles.
Same bullshite logic that people used to trash Tua the last 2 years. Now he has a couple of big time weapons and a smart playcaller running the show and he's looking like one of the best QBs in the NFL. Expecting young QBs to turn chicken shite into chicken salad like they are prime Peyton Manning is fricking stupid.
Heaving the ball to where it's underthrown into double coverage repeatedly isn't exactly on the "lack of weapons."
Whether he has weapons or he doesn't, turning the ball over like he has will kill a mediocre team's chances of winning. He's doing it week in and week out now. The bad picks he's had the past two weeks aren't on the lack of talent. That's all Mac Jones. He's pressing.
P.S. - Matt Patricia was on the offensive side of the ball his first two years in New England, one of which was during a super bowl run.
Sit this one out, sport.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:02 pm to LockDown
Um what the hell is happening in here 
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.Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:06 pm to Carlton
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Um what the hell is happening in here
Bama homerism.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:13 pm to LockDown
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P.S. - Matt Patricia was on the offensive side of the ball his first two years in New England, one of which was during a super bowl run.
You mean when he was an intern and an assistant offensive line coach? Yeah, that definitely qualifies him to run an NFL offense.
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Sit this one out, sport.
Only if you agree to sit in the middle of I-20 at rush hour.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:18 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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Evan Neal is having his "Welcome to the NFL" game, he's getting obliterated.
NFL tackle isn't a position most rookies thrive at right off. He'll take his lumps and get better. Any DC is going to attack a rookie OL relentlessly.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:23 pm to Robot Santa
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You mean when he was an intern and an assistant offensive line coach? Yeah, that definitely qualifies him to run an NFL offense.
Sean McVay
Kyle Shanahan
Nathaniel Hackett
Joe Brady
Matt LaFleur
And
Mike McDaniel (Tua's coach now).
Want to guess what all of these names have in common?
This is fun.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:48 pm to LockDown
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Want to guess what all of these names have in common?
Well with the exception of Brady, who was a disaster in the NFL, they followed a common career paths of talented young NFL playcallers: intern -> 2-3 years as an offensive position coach -> 2-3 years as an OC -> HC.
Meanwhile Matt Patricia was an assistant OL coach for like a year, then coached defense for 15 years, and is now jumping back to offense to call plays.
The fact that you feel these situations are so similar that you have pulled a "gotcha" on me is wild. I mean do you seriously not understand the difference between hiring an OC who coached QBs for another team the last 2 seasons and hiring an OC who helped the OL coach for one season nearly 2 decades ago?
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 9/26/22 at 11:34 pm to Robot Santa
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Well with the exception of Brady, who was a disaster in the NFL, they followed a common career paths of talented young NFL playcallers: intern -> 2-3 years as an offensive position coach -> 2-3 years as an OC -> HC.
Meanwhile Matt Patricia was an assistant OL coach for like a year, then coached defense for 15 years, and is now jumping back to offense to call plays.
The fact that you feel these situations are so similar that you have pulled a "gotcha" on me is wild. I mean do you seriously not understand the difference between hiring an OC who coached QBs for another team the last 2 seasons and hiring an OC who helped the OL coach for one season nearly 2 decades ago?
But was Brady qualified? Not with the benefit of hindsight, mind you, but at the time?
How many had playcalling duties before before becoming offensive coordinators? It's part of the job. I've yet to see any specific roadmap where an offensive playcaller has to have a set timeline of experience you referenced. It may be a preference. It may be your preference. It sill doesn't make your point valid.
The fact that you are leaving out that three of Patricia's years before becoming a playcaller were spent running a team seems selectively biased. Surely, your point is not that less experience is gained from actually running a team, versus serving as a position coach. Do you not understand the difference? Do you think head coaches pick one side of the ball to be involved?
The fact that you fail to mention Joe Judge, who also recently ran a team, and has served as a position coach in the NFL, is also a co-coordinator, makes it appear that you do not have a strong grasp on what you're talking about; rather, you're emotional and attempting to justify your initial white knighting for Mac Jones by omitting important points.
The Patriots under Belichick have never operated the way you reference. All coaches cross train. It's the way the organization operates. Belichick started as an offensive coach before becoming a defensive coach. Bill O'Brien never called plays before Belichick tapped him. McDaniels never called plays before Belichick tapped him.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 6:30 am to LockDown
Good grief you're insufferable.
and wrong.
Joe Judge had 1 season as a WR coach. He doesn't help your argument at all.
The OC situation Mac is dealing with is beyond fricked. He has no QB coach, or experienced OC, to help his development. Their offensive line coach is new too, so the line is suspect as well. The WRs SUCK. Devante Parker was such a good player the Dolphins traded him IN the division.
It's not a good situation for a young QB.
and wrong.
Joe Judge had 1 season as a WR coach. He doesn't help your argument at all.
The OC situation Mac is dealing with is beyond fricked. He has no QB coach, or experienced OC, to help his development. Their offensive line coach is new too, so the line is suspect as well. The WRs SUCK. Devante Parker was such a good player the Dolphins traded him IN the division.
It's not a good situation for a young QB.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 6:32 am
Posted on 9/27/22 at 7:56 am to VaBamaMan
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The OC situation Mac is dealing with is beyond fricked. He has no QB coach, or experienced OC, to help his development. Their offensive line coach is new too, so the line is suspect as well. The WRs SUCK. Devante Parker was such a good player the Dolphins traded him IN the division.
It's not a good situation for a young QB.
Agree. The way Belichick handled this offseason is baffling. He put Mac in a terrible position after a positive last season.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:01 am to DT55Forever1
Bill is a great coach if not the best, but it appears he has a plan for 2023 for an OC and is just going to make the best he can for 2022. Is BoB already locked in for the Pats once the jocks and socks are put away on this Bama season?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:32 am to VaBamaMan
No kidding man. It's like he's Patricia's brother or something.
Even the best HCs make mistakes. Saban hired Nussmeier, promoted Tosh, and hired BooB. It happens. Blaming a 2nd year QB for not making a big jump when he's got no dynamic skill guys around him on the field and no one on the coaching staff well suited to developing QBs to support him is just silly though. It seems like the Patriots are trying to operate like they still have Brady, and that's just not fair to Mac. He's never going to be Brady. No one is ever going to be Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be a good NFL QB though. He showed promise last year and they responded to it giving Matt Patricia playcalling and OL coach duties and made Joe Judge his QB coach. If pointing out how ridiculous that is (it's also pure nepotism in all but name) means I'm white knighting for Mac then guilty.
Even the best HCs make mistakes. Saban hired Nussmeier, promoted Tosh, and hired BooB. It happens. Blaming a 2nd year QB for not making a big jump when he's got no dynamic skill guys around him on the field and no one on the coaching staff well suited to developing QBs to support him is just silly though. It seems like the Patriots are trying to operate like they still have Brady, and that's just not fair to Mac. He's never going to be Brady. No one is ever going to be Brady. That doesn't mean he can't be a good NFL QB though. He showed promise last year and they responded to it giving Matt Patricia playcalling and OL coach duties and made Joe Judge his QB coach. If pointing out how ridiculous that is (it's also pure nepotism in all but name) means I'm white knighting for Mac then guilty.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:35 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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but it appears he has a plan for 2023 for an OC
Probably bringing McDaniels back again after the Raiders fire him for going 6-11 with a stacked roster because he's a shite HC.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:10 am to MagillaGuerilla
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Evan Neal is having his "Welcome to the NFL" game, he's getting obliterated.
The few plays I watched him on Parsons, he did well.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:13 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Is BoB already locked in for the Pats once the jocks and socks are put away on this Bama season?
I imagine it depends on whether he gets any college HC offers.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:16 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
Local Media believe Belichick is easing Judge into the OC position. We will see if he blows that plan up after this season.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 9:20 am
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:21 am to Robot Santa
All they had to do was add better receiving personnel and build on the system they had. Instead they completely changed the offensive line blocking scheme and offensive system and are trying to run it with 4 coaches and no OC.
They literally have Patricia, Judge, Rothstein and Belichick all trying to run the offense. They even have Hoyer working as a back up QB/QB coach. It's got to be frustrating for Mac.
And I hate to inform them, but BoB isn't the answer either.
When BoB was the OC for the Patriots (which was basically one season), Brady and several players have stated that Brady audibled out of 75-80% of the calls during that season.
They literally have Patricia, Judge, Rothstein and Belichick all trying to run the offense. They even have Hoyer working as a back up QB/QB coach. It's got to be frustrating for Mac.
And I hate to inform them, but BoB isn't the answer either.
When BoB was the OC for the Patriots (which was basically one season), Brady and several players have stated that Brady audibled out of 75-80% of the calls during that season.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:47 am to DT55Forever1
Not discounting you being right about BoB not being the solution for the Patriots cause there were offensive concerns (especially with him getting the plays in, sound familiar) when he was there but he called plays from 2009-2011 Bill just didn't give him the OC title until 2011. The other thing is a number of best QBs (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning) audible out of the playcall a ton regardless of who the OC is.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 9:55 am
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:50 am to Carlton
I don't think BOB is a lock to return to NFL. I think it's Nebraska for BOB.
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