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re: Alabama Class of 2014 Recruiting MEGATHREAD (Goodnight sweet Prince)
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:00 am to YStar
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:00 am to YStar
Exactly Ystar of all the instate guys we've taken/not taken the past few years we go for the guy from Hillcrest who is likely coming to UA anyway? Why not anyone of the dozen other instate guys that were much better athletes the past few cycles. Why encourage instate kids to flip to the Barn to just take this guy with his limited skill set? You can say academics but even our stars are making good grades no need to drop a scholly on a GPA booster.
But I am sure the same stuff will be said that was said about Vinnie. "Coaches son", "Student of the game", "Film room warrior", "Is all heart" etc. Except Holcombe doesn't have Trey Depriest attached to his hip.
But I am sure the same stuff will be said that was said about Vinnie. "Coaches son", "Student of the game", "Film room warrior", "Is all heart" etc. Except Holcombe doesn't have Trey Depriest attached to his hip.
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Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:02 am to YStar
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I will say I don't understand how some of you are happy some people decommit and wouldn't jump at Holcome following suit. I know I would. He isn't a necessity and he wouldn't be ready to make an impact for years.
The problem with this statement is you're purely looking at what he does on the field. If you think Saban recruits guys purely for their on field talent, you haven't been paying much attention. Holcombe may be a great natural leader, or he may help bring the team GPA up. When you have 85 scholarship players, and 95% of them are a 4* or 5*, you can afford to give a couple to less talented players. We gave a scholarship to a long snapper last year. Think about it.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:03 am to crimson crazy
quote:A long snapper that's starting right now.
We gave a scholarship to a long snapper last year. Think about it.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:04 am to Libertyabides71
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You can say academics but even our stars are making good grades no need to drop a scholly on a GPA booster.
Part of the reason some of the stars make good grades is because they get help from the smart teammates, as well as tutors. I know of a couple players who have been recruited mainly for this reason.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:04 am to pvilleguru
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If anyone drafts Sunseri, they are making a big mistake.
thanks Mr. GM
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:05 am to pvilleguru
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A long snapper that's starting right now.
So you don't think we could've signed a non scholarship snapper and started him?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:05 am to TreyAnastasio
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Cyrus should come back, and it wouldnt surprise me if he did. Our line would be so sick next year if he did.
I don't think money is a factor with this family so I can see him coming back to play another year with big bro
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:05 am to crimson crazy
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Part of the reason some of the stars make good grades is because they get help from the smart teammates, as well as tutors. I know of a couple players who have been recruited mainly for this reason.
Someone colors in their books for them in the Human Environmental Science courses?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:06 am to crimson crazy
quote:Probably not one that's been as good as he's been. I can only remember one bad snap this season.
So you don't think we could've signed a non scholarship snapper and started him?
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:09 am to pvilleguru
And I see a big difference between giving a scholarship to a guy that will have to start day 1 and a guy that may contribute 4 years from now.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:14 am to pvilleguru
he looks like a 4 year starter and our last long snapper is now starting at Jacksonville. I think it is about time that Bama gives out scholarship to specialists to make sure you get the best in the land.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 10:35 am to mrbroker
You are right in that a good long snapper is great to have Broker, we are lucky that Mazza worked out unlike the other specialists we put on the scholarship under Saban like Jay Williams or Corey Smith. If a dude is a can't miss prospect then yes they are worth the scholarship as a specialist. If you are just going to offer a just guy because of future need take 4/5 walk-ons let them compete for one scholarship over time. Kickers/Punters can be such headcases committing to them out of high school can be risky.
Now the case with Holcombe are we really saing OLB's are that rare? Especially since he is an OLB in more of the Will Herring variety than the 3-4 OLB variety.
Now the case with Holcombe are we really saing OLB's are that rare? Especially since he is an OLB in more of the Will Herring variety than the 3-4 OLB variety.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:23 am to crimson crazy
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So you don't think we could've signed a non scholarship snapper and started him?
Not disagreeing with this statement, but I don't necessarily agree with it, either.
A long snapper is an extremely important position and it's possibly the most taken for granted spot on the field IMO.
It happened last season in the NFL where the Oakland Raiders long snapper suffered a concussion on punt coverage on MNF. The "backup" long snapper proceeded to have multiple bad snaps resulting in a couple of blocked punts and one over the head of the punter for a TD IIRC. It ultimately cost Oakland the game. It's an incredibly valuable position. And if we feel the need to "waste" a spot one recruiting year to solidify that position for the next 4 years then I'm fine with it.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:28 am to Libertyabides71
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Now the case with Holcombe are we really saing OLB's are that rare? Especially since he is an OLB in more of the Will Herring variety than the 3-4 OLB variety.
He's good in coverage and has great height and speed. We need players of this lb/safety hybrid type to help combat all of the super athletuc patch catching tes that are coming into vogue. We have a great track record of 3 stars we take becoming important contributors
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:33 am to crimson crazy
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The problem with this statement is you're purely looking at what he does on the field. If you think Saban recruits guys purely for their on field talent, you haven't been paying much attention. Holcombe may be a great natural leader, or he may help bring the team GPA up. When you have 85 scholarship players, and 95% of them are a 4* or 5*, you can afford to give a couple to less talented players. We gave a scholarship to a long snapper last year. Think about it.
You do realize that Stephen Roberts and SDH, two players we've celebrated desiring to decommit are players Saban recruited as well right?
That basically renders your statement obsolete considering you never used that rail against the decommitment of those two but you're using it to support Holcombe.
I hope Holcome grey shirts, because I feel the spot could be better used.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:39 am to YStar
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the spot could be better used.
I agree. Frick the nostalgia! If we were just going to give guys scholarships just because, well why didn't we give Denzel Nkemdiche an offer? At least he would have gotten us his brother. Or someone else that could have almost guaranteed the commitment of an even bigger prospect down the road.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 11:58 am to YStar
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That basically renders your statement obsolete considering you never used that rail against the decommitment of those two but you're using it to support Holcombe.
Considering I never commented on their decommitnent one way or another, nothing has been rendered obsolete.
My point is you don't know what reasons the staff has for offering scholarships to certain players. You're not on the staff, so nobody really gives a damn who you or anyone else thinks we should or shouldn't take. There were a lot of geniuses on here last year throwing a shite fit because we gave Parker McCloud a scholarship. Just so you know, he's ahead of Cooper Bateman. In fact, Del Rio is ahead of all of them. So sit back and enjoy the ride and quit worrying about who we take and don't take. We're on the verge of 3 straight titles. Obviously the staff knows what they're doing.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:03 pm to crimson crazy
I still say it was a bad idea to offer Parker.
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:12 pm to crimson crazy
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My point is you don't know what reasons the staff has for offering scholarships to certain players. You're not on the staff, so nobody really gives a damn who you or anyone else thinks we should or shouldn't take.
This has no relevance considering you were never there to defend the others posters here (as I) desired to decommit. You can't get on your soap box now, you have no legs.
I'd rather us replace Holcombe with Evans. I'd rather us lose Roberts for a Tabor, Peppers, etc. I'd rather us lose SDH for a Raekwon McMillian. Spare me the "our staff sees something special that we don't know" bit. Holcombe is a target like many others. If he were to decommit we'd fill his spot with just as good (in this case better).
Posted on 11/23/13 at 12:46 pm to YStar
God almighty bunch of sissies on here
I trust the staff...Holcombe was a flip anyway, he never expected a Bama offer and got it, there are a few other guys I wish we had handled the same way that were legacies like the FB at LSU who is a DAMN good player. The offer to Denzel argument is moot because at that point staff was being told by his HC he was a lock to Bama and DN didn't matter and his grades weren't even close to be deserving an offer.
Offering a born leader a scholly holds some weight in my mind because from all accounts he is a great leader on the field. I made the Vinnie comparison I guess because both guys are students of the game and tackling machines in HS all the way down to understanding technique and covering skills. Holcombe looks faster than Vinnie from the film I've seen also is taller, he plays a lot bigger than his size like Vinnie (hits like a ton of bricks) and is an asset as a coverage LBer. A little larger frame to gain and hold weight unlike Vinnie who is too small and wasn't ever gonna be a LBer, Holcombe has that frame
We gotta have a coverage LBer for when Evans and Hand tee off on the QB and the ball sails to catch it
I trust the staff...Holcombe was a flip anyway, he never expected a Bama offer and got it, there are a few other guys I wish we had handled the same way that were legacies like the FB at LSU who is a DAMN good player. The offer to Denzel argument is moot because at that point staff was being told by his HC he was a lock to Bama and DN didn't matter and his grades weren't even close to be deserving an offer.
Offering a born leader a scholly holds some weight in my mind because from all accounts he is a great leader on the field. I made the Vinnie comparison I guess because both guys are students of the game and tackling machines in HS all the way down to understanding technique and covering skills. Holcombe looks faster than Vinnie from the film I've seen also is taller, he plays a lot bigger than his size like Vinnie (hits like a ton of bricks) and is an asset as a coverage LBer. A little larger frame to gain and hold weight unlike Vinnie who is too small and wasn't ever gonna be a LBer, Holcombe has that frame
We gotta have a coverage LBer for when Evans and Hand tee off on the QB and the ball sails to catch it
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