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re: Alabama Board Coronavirus Thread

Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:28 pm to
While it’s true the Coronavirus has mutated and continues to mutate, so far the mutations have been subtle and minor. It appears to have been enough to have affected the contagiousness and the severity of the disease, but not enough to elude your immune system or render a vaccine impotent.

That could change but right now, this isn’t influenza we’re dealing with which has constant, significant antigenic drift that makes it a bitch to develop a viable and accurate vaccine. That’s why in a good year, flu vaccine is only about 45% effective and in a bad year 20%.

Most flu vaccine is still produced using an old and rather primitive looking technique where scientists get together in the early spring and predict (educated guess) which influenza strains will be the dominant ones the next flu season and how those strains will mutate or drift. Then they develop the vaccine and grow the results in millions of chicken eggs. That’s why you can’t take the vaccine if you are allergic to eggs. It takes literally months to produce the next year’s vaccine so if they screw up or the virus does something unpredictable, they and you and I are screwed. There’s no time for a do-over.

Now the effectiveness numbers are a little deceiving. To CDC, effective means prevented the flu. While that is the goal, even if the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from getting sick, it usually means a less severe flu and a lower mortality rate so it is definitely worth getting one. And considering that almost every year less than 50% of Americans get flu vaccination, you can see why flu is still a serious health concern. We have relatively high deaths from the flu because not enough people get vaccinated with an imperfect vaccine. And this year more than ever, being able to remain healthy and not wonder if it’s flu or ‘Rona is important.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
25489 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 6:04 pm to
I’m mid 30s and have never had the flu...am I naturally immune to the flu?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50314 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 8:27 pm to
quote:

I’m mid 30s and have never had the flu...am I naturally immune to the flu?


I'm 38 and same. I've never had an immediate family member catch flu either (neither growing up nor now with my own family).
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 8:37 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50314 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 8:29 pm to
Hey just so y'all know:

Republican National Convention at White House: super-spreader event

Raging lunatics screaming profanities during Trump's speech, killing the president in effigy, and chasing down to harass and assault RNC attendees as they leave: totally fine and definitely not a super-spreader event
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 8:46 pm
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10342 posts
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:40 pm to
UA now has over 1k confirmed cases in students on campus in the past week. At this rate it'll pass through the entire student body before the first game.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
25489 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:06 am to
quote:

I'm 38 and same. I've never had an immediate family member catch flu either (neither growing up nor now with my own family).


Same man. Neither one of my parents or my 2 sisters have ever had it. My kid has never had it either
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 12:08 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50314 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 7:54 am to
quote:

UA now has over 1k confirmed cases in students on campus in the past week. At this rate it'll pass through the entire student body before the first game.


I'm betting there will be little to no deaths from this.
Posted by gumpinmizzou
Member since May 2017
2785 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:03 am to
quote:

I'm betting there will be little to no deaths from this.


This is probably true, but I don't think we can just discount case numbers. The higher the cases the more community spread there will be.

Not saying they should shut it down, but it spreading rapidly through the student population is not a good thing for the broader Tuscaloosa community. Hopefully all those sick will follow protocols, and all the students will take some steps to slow the spread.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:39 am to
Well I’ll tell you what I’m hearing. Bama is struggling and was not prepared for this. The numbers are exploding, and they are scrambling to catch up and failing. There are reports of kids not obeying quarantine, testing off campus and not reporting a positive result and just about every possible bad thing that can happen. Even the kids that are following the rules are getting undercut by the failure of the system to get rapid results to asymptomatic positives before they spread the disease. In short, it’s burning through the campus like wildfire. The staff has been insulated so far. The university has taken over the Capstone Inn now for additional quarantine space even though they only report roughly 40 percent of current space occupied. The good news is so far, hospitalizations have not jumped at all. Let’s hope it stays that way.

I’m not happy to report what I’m hearing and seeing from campus. It’s disheartening and disappointing and it makes me think Bama is going to have to throw in the towel soon and send everyone home but the athletes. But it’s totally out of their control at this point. They might be putting a bold face on it but they aren’t fooling anyone with knowledge of what’s going on. The genie is out of the bottle and I don’t think they can get it back in.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75840 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 11:44 am to
I say let them stay on campus. If they're asymptomatic there is no reason to panic. Let them all get it, recover and move on with their lives. Assuming, of course, they don't go parading around town infecting elderly people.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
25489 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:07 pm to
Wow. I think everyone but Student athletes should be sent home so we can have football.
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted by ds4ua1020
Member since Oct 2012
266 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:34 pm to
The biggest threat right now is fear and panic. Hospitalization numbers are key. Hopefully the vast majority of these students will have mild symptoms. But what does it say about UA leadership that they had all summer to plan for this and were unprepared?
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
10342 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

I think everyone but Student athletes should be sent home so we can have football.
That’s the worst possible thing they could do right now. You have over 1,000 confirmed cases, with actual figures likely multiple times that number, in a low-risk population where the vast majority are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms. It’s best to contain the outbreak and let it run its course. Sending everyone home equals seeding new outbreaks throughout the country, in populations which are much higher risk.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75840 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:05 pm to
NY Times article

quote:

Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.

Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time. But researchers say the solution is not to test less, or to skip testing people without symptoms, as recently suggested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.




quote:

Stunning new research finds C19 PCR tests are much too sensitive to be useful in assessing spread. "In 3 sets of testing data...compiled by officials in MA, NY & NV, up to 90% of people testing positive carried barely any virus."


Holy shite.
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13195 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

say let them stay on campus.


Mine is staying over there . At $900 a month for rent .... she is staying
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49680 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:27 pm to
Don’t blame you one bit.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75840 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:27 pm to
That's a good thing though. She's not bringing it to the Columbus area. Lord knows there are plenty of morbidly obese people in that town that don't need to be exposed.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49680 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:37 pm to
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Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13195 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:23 pm to
Mi Tiro got the whole town messed up
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
25489 posts
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

That’s the worst possible thing they could do right now. You have over 1,000 confirmed cases, with actual figures likely multiple times that number, in a low-risk population where the vast majority are either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms. It’s best to contain the outbreak and let it run its course. Sending everyone home equals seeding new outbreaks throughout the country, in populations which are much higher risk.




I agree it’s the best thing for them to stay on campus I’m just talking about I’m worried that we will give in to the peer pressure and cancel football season if cases on campus keep going up.
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