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Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:16 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:13 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
BamaTracker's Wednesday update has Alabama's Rt at .93 - the lowest it has been since he started posting it on 15 March.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 3:06 pm to JustGetItRight
Below 1 means cases are falling. That's great news. I'm beginning to believe there's a lot of truth to the post I made earlier about herd immunity being reached.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 3:22 pm to phil4bama
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As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.
I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.
Newsweek
Posted on 7/29/20 at 4:41 pm to Cobrasize
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Fauci Says Eye Protection Might Be Recommended to Fight Virus
Yall get your helmets and boots ready next
Posted on 7/29/20 at 4:41 pm to Cobrasize
It seems to me, from everything I've read heard, that the following is all true re: hydroxychloroquine
(a) There are limited risks and most doctors understand which types of individuals have risks as it is a widely used drug for all sorts of auto-immune issues (not just malaria).
(b) Testing shows that in whatever the threshold is to determine that something "helps" or "doesn't help" that it doesn't reach the threshold to get a "help" grade.
(c) It does help with certain individuals for whatever reason.
It's clearly not a "cure" as some crazy people are peddling, but it does appear that all of the above are true. I don't quite understand the staunch opposition to doctors (many of whom are sane and respected) who believe it can be helpful in certain individuals.
(a) There are limited risks and most doctors understand which types of individuals have risks as it is a widely used drug for all sorts of auto-immune issues (not just malaria).
(b) Testing shows that in whatever the threshold is to determine that something "helps" or "doesn't help" that it doesn't reach the threshold to get a "help" grade.
(c) It does help with certain individuals for whatever reason.
It's clearly not a "cure" as some crazy people are peddling, but it does appear that all of the above are true. I don't quite understand the staunch opposition to doctors (many of whom are sane and respected) who believe it can be helpful in certain individuals.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:04 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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Yall get your helmets and boots ready next
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't quite understand the staunch opposition to doctors (many of whom are sane and respected) who believe it can be helpful in certain individuals.
Sure you do.
Trump.
There are a very many that would rather people die than have to admit he was right about something.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:18 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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Fauci Says Eye Protection Might Be Recommended to Fight Virus
See, it’s when he says stupid shite like this he loses people. In a lab or clinical setting, yeah, protecting the mucous membranes of the eyes would be a prudent idea. You do it for any infectious, highly contagious disease. But to suggest the average person do that??? He’s such an academic nerd.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 5:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It's clearly not a "cure" as some crazy people are peddling, but it does appear that all of the above are true. I don't quite understand the staunch opposition to doctors (many of whom are sane and respected) who believe it can be helpful in certain individuals.
This kind of begs the question. The staunch opposition is largely due to the fact that so many people, including the President, are pushing the idea that it is actually a cure rather than merely a treatment that appears to have some positive effects on a random assortment of people in a relatively narrow range of circumstances.
Then there are studies like this one that conclude it was actually associated with an increased risk of death. The difference is so small that it's probably a correlation =/= causation kind of deal, but there are a ton of other studies that show it has no significant effect at all.
As for the Yale professor's Newsweek op-ed, this is an interesting read delving into how a lot of the pro-HCQ evidence is extremely dubious.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:22 pm to Cobrasize
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:34 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Well here's the deal from someone who works with nursing home patients for a living, and who has seen anecdotal evidence if you insist, regarding Hydroxychloroquine. The people that tell you it doesn't work aren't using it correctly in their studies or don't want it to work. Here's the key to it and this is the truth as I know it, so help me God. If you test positive for COVID and appear to be headed down the road to hospitalization i.e. shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, etc, ( a severe case) and you are administered HCQ at a dose of 2 x 200mg tablets twice a day for 7 days BEFORE you need to be hospitalized and supportive care, the chances are exceedingly good you will improve and recover and avoid hospitalization. If you wait until you are in the hospital and are severely ill, on oxygen and about to be ventilated, it's too late, HCQ can't and won't help you.
Most of these dumb arse studies fail to differentiate between these two groups of patients, so yes, it fails the study.
Most of these dumb arse studies fail to differentiate between these two groups of patients, so yes, it fails the study.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:40 pm to phil4bama
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Well here's the deal from someone who works with nursing home patients for a living, and who has seen anecdotal evidence if you insist, regarding Hydroxychloroquine. The people that tell you it doesn't work aren't using it correctly in their studies or don't want it to work. Here's the key to it and this is the truth as I know it, so help me God. If you test positive for COVID and appear to be headed down the road to hospitalization i.e. shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, etc, ( a severe case) and you are administered HCQ at a dose of 2 x 200mg tablets twice a day for 7 days BEFORE you need to be hospitalized and supportive care, the chances are exceedingly good you will improve and recover and avoid hospitalization. If you wait until you are in the hospital and are severely ill, on oxygen and about to be ventilated, it's too late, HCQ can't and won't help you.
Most of these dumb arse studies fail to differentiate between these two groups of patients, so yes, it fails the study.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 7:22 pm to JustGetItRight
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Sure you do.
Trump.
For people on TV and who are in the public eye, absolutely. Trump is for it and there's any shred of question about it means they're against it and it's not just inconclusive - it's wrong and evil and will KILL YOU.
I don't think everyone who is involved in these discussions/studies falls in that category, though, such as those who were involved the studies linked by Robot below.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 7:23 pm to phil4bama
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The people that tell you it doesn't work aren't using it correctly in their studies or don't want it to work. Here's the key to it and this is the truth as I know it, so help me God. If you test positive for COVID and appear to be headed down the road to hospitalization i.e. shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, etc, ( a severe case) and you are administered HCQ at a dose of 2 x 200mg tablets twice a day for 7 days BEFORE you need to be hospitalized and supportive care, the chances are exceedingly good you will improve and recover and avoid hospitalization. If you wait until you are in the hospital and are severely ill, on oxygen and about to be ventilated, it's too late, HCQ can't and won't help you.
Most of these dumb arse studies fail to differentiate between these two groups of patients, so yes, it fails the study.
They have tested it during that window.
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 7:52 pm to TideSaint
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I vote on policy, not party.
This ^^^
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:09 pm to TideWarrior
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Global HCQ studies. PrEP, PEP, and early treatment studies show high effectiveness, while late treatment shows mixed results.
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If I get diagnosed with covid, put me down as someone who will gladly take HCQ.
Anyone who doesn’t think it works, then I fully expect you to put your money where your mouth is and decline treatment
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:10 pm to Cobrasize
Where's Costa Rica on that chart?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:12 pm to TideSaint
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Where's Costa Rica on that chart?
Standing around with their hands out getting aid from The United States
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