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Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:16 am to Diogenes
Proving once again that the disconnect between having information and acquiring wisdom has never been larger.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:27 am to bamameister
But to have a gambling pool on who gets a potentially deadly disease first and then attempt to acquire it? I mean who is that fricking stupid?? That's beyond teenage foolishness, it's just ludicrous.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:36 am to phil4bama
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But to have a gambling pool on who gets a potentially deadly disease first and then attempt to acquire it? I mean who is that fricking stupid?? That's beyond teenage foolishness, it's just ludicrous.
How is that crazier than listening to politicians telling us, over and over, that our pandemic stradegy is to expect that these people will act responsibly and do the right thing.
Adults have treated this virus with similar contempt in their decision making from the start. Expecting teenagers to be watching and then willing to take it even a step further is not that far out there. My kids would be taking their classes online or not at all.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:20 am to bamameister
The Justice Department charged two people with federal terrorism offenses on Wednesday for allegedly claiming they were intentionally trying to spread the coronavirus.
The charges, in cases in Texas and Florida, come about two weeks after Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen instructed federal prosecutors across the U.S. that they could charge people who threaten to spread the coronavirus under the terrorism statutes because the Justice Department considers it a “biological agent” under the law.
“Threats or attempt to use COVID-19 as a weapon against Americans will not be tolerated,” Rosen wrote in the memo to U.S. attorneys and the heads of all Justice Department agencies, including the FBI.
The charges, in cases in Texas and Florida, come about two weeks after Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen instructed federal prosecutors across the U.S. that they could charge people who threaten to spread the coronavirus under the terrorism statutes because the Justice Department considers it a “biological agent” under the law.
“Threats or attempt to use COVID-19 as a weapon against Americans will not be tolerated,” Rosen wrote in the memo to U.S. attorneys and the heads of all Justice Department agencies, including the FBI.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:56 am to bamameister
AZFamily.com - New study shows asymptomatic have lung damage
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Arizona doctors are seeing a trend with COVID-19 that, at first, doesn't seem to add up.
“You look at a chest X-ray and say, ‘My God, this guy should be dead!’ And you talk to them, and they say, ‘No I feel fine. I’m not that bad,’ and they’re relatively asymptomatic,” said emergency medicine Dr. Frank Lovecchio.
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Now, a study out of the Scripps Research Institute in San Diego backs up what Dr. Lovecchio is seeing first hand. The study found that on the Diamond Princess cruise ship earlier this year where there was a COVID outbreak, more than half of the 76 asymptomatic people infected on board now show significant lung abnormalities that weren't immediately apparent.
“The few times I’ve seen it and my colleagues, it’s usually been younger folks,” said Lovecchio.
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“The body is so smart that if one area of the lung is blocked off because there’s virus in there, it will say, ‘I’m not going to give you blood!’ And shunt blood, or move blood, to another part of the lung,” he said.
And he said younger people specifically have more lung capacity.
“It’s truly amazing that you can cut off like 10% of your lung and have no difference in your respiratory reserve or how you’re breathing, etc., so that’s probably what we’re seeing,” Dr. Lovecchio said.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:59 am to Diogenes
Florida broke the 10,000 new cases barrier today. Yet, so far, the deaths and hospitalizations have not spiked.
It's getting real old having the media trumpet the new cases number as some dire plague come to kill us all while the other numbers are flat or declining. Sensationalism all day every day eventually burns people out and causes distrust and even causes people to ignore the media, even when it's true. It's time for it to stop.
It's getting real old having the media trumpet the new cases number as some dire plague come to kill us all while the other numbers are flat or declining. Sensationalism all day every day eventually burns people out and causes distrust and even causes people to ignore the media, even when it's true. It's time for it to stop.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:17 pm to phil4bama
I know you keep up with it more than I but the CBS NEWS said hospitalizations and deaths are up in many states ? IDK
I know MISS has gone up in all numbers
I know MISS has gone up in all numbers
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:18 pm to Diogenes
I thought the University was closed. Are they having classes now? If its closed, there couldnt be many students in town.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:31 pm to Bear88
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I know you keep up with it more than I but the CBS NEWS said hospitalizations and deaths are up in many states ? IDK
I know MISS has gone up in all numbers
Hopsitalizatons are up, but deaths are still slowly dropping over the 7 day averages. A slight jump in the last 2 days, but the 7 day averages continue to fall.
7/1 - 560
6/30 - 581
6/29 - 595
6/28 - 596
6/27 - 594
6/26 - 604
6/25 - 614
6/24 - 628
6/23 - 628
6/22 - 627
6/21 - 636
6/20 - 645
We do seem to have a much better idea of how to treat it once people get to the hospital - but I think there is some fear that in 2-3 weeks these hospitalizations will turn to deaths. Hopefully that is not the case.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 5:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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e Wake County Board of Education voted unanimously for the "Plan B" scenario in which students would be divided into three groups that would each spend one week in class at school and two weeks at home with online instruction.
This will probably the plan once the Gov announces for the state. This will be for K-12 and all middle and HS students will be required to wear masks.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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AZFamily.com - New study shows asymptomatic have lung damage
Sure, why not?
*kicks chair*
Posted on 7/3/20 at 12:48 pm to stomp
This is why this disease is so dangerous and it's not "just the flu." We are still finding ways it affects the body and damage it causes. It's not JUST some upper respiratory disease that causes pneumonia and that's it. As research and observation continues, we are finding circulatory damage, clotting abnormalities, lung damage in otherwise healthy individuals, neurological damage in children.
It makes you wonder. If I were going to create a biological weapon that is not overtly fatal, but debilitating and disruptive to the nth degree, I would certainly consider COVID19 as a pretty successful attempt. It's so insidious. You don't know immediately that you have it and might never know you caught it. But it's wreaking havoc and destruction through multiple organ systems. You might drop dead tomorrow from a heart attack or stroke from a clot and never know it was due to 'Rona unless you were tested post-mortem.
It makes you wonder. If I were going to create a biological weapon that is not overtly fatal, but debilitating and disruptive to the nth degree, I would certainly consider COVID19 as a pretty successful attempt. It's so insidious. You don't know immediately that you have it and might never know you caught it. But it's wreaking havoc and destruction through multiple organ systems. You might drop dead tomorrow from a heart attack or stroke from a clot and never know it was due to 'Rona unless you were tested post-mortem.
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 2:30 pm to phil4bama
A virus doesn’t care about your politics. Once a school is labeled typhoid mary, the doors will close. A virus has always been an ethnic cleanser that moves survivors
This post was edited on 7/3/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 7/3/20 at 2:40 pm to phil4bama
Yeah ok
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:19 pm to phil4bama
Hey Phil, remember upthread when you and I talked about people we knew that were certain Hydro-trump made a big difference when administered early?
There's now a published, multi-hospital controlled study that says the same thing.
The guy that faked the studies to say it didn't work and was dangerous may be the biggest mass murderer so far this century.
There's now a published, multi-hospital controlled study that says the same thing.
The guy that faked the studies to say it didn't work and was dangerous may be the biggest mass murderer so far this century.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:33 pm to phil4bama
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But to have a gambling pool on who gets a potentially deadly disease first and then attempt to acquire it? I mean who is that fricking stupid?? That's beyond teenage foolishness, it's just ludicrous.
People who believe this is actually a thing despite zero corroboration.
‘Covid Parties’ Are Not a Thing
No, Alabama frat boys aren’t doing snot shots and betting on who can get sick first. Why does the media keep suggesting otherwise?
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“They put money in a pot and they try to get Covid,” said City Council member Sonya McKinstry. “Whoever gets Covid first gets the pot. It makes no sense.”
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The latest version of the tale, from Alabama, follows the same pattern as the others. It appears to be the product of a weird game of telephone mixed with loose talk from public officials and disgracefully sloppy journalism. On Tuesday, Tuscaloosa fire chief Randy Smith told the city council that his department had heard about parties “where students or kids would come in with known positives.” It sounded like just a rumor, Smith said, but “not only did the doctors’ offices help confirm it, but the state also confirmed they had the same information.”
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You’ll notice immediately that Smith didn’t say anything about people trying to get sick, let alone betting on who could do it first. So why is everyone saying that’s what happened? The notion seems to have originated with McKinstry, who shared it with ABC News after the meeting.
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The Alabama Department of Health responded with a statement that it “has not been able to verify such parties have taken place.” It’s not even clear that the fire chief had it right about kids going to parties while knowing they were sick. (The Tuscaloosa Fire Department did not reply to a request for comment, either.) But that didn’t stop the dogpile of national media outlets repeating and amplifying the Covid betting-pot story as if it were fact.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 3:40 pm to JustGetItRight
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Hey Phil, remember upthread when you and I talked about people we knew that were certain Hydro-trump made a big difference when administered early?
There's now a published, multi-hospital controlled study that says the same thing.
The guy that faked the studies to say it didn't work and was dangerous may be the biggest mass murderer so far this century.
Boom. It just works. Why that is so politically unpalatable is beyond me. You've got to prove or even lie and say it doesn't just because Trump says it does? I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot say it's the greatest thing ever created, if the data backs it up, use it! Thanks for the link.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 4:01 pm to phil4bama
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Boom. It just works. Why that is so politically unpalatable is beyond me. You've got to prove or even lie and say it doesn't just because Trump says it does? I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot say it's the greatest thing ever created, if the data backs it up, use it!
That's because you're a normal, sane human with your perspective in the right place. Most in DC and on the TV (regardless of the letter by their names) don't fit that category.
Posted on 7/3/20 at 4:06 pm to JustGetItRight
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Hey Phil, remember upthread when you and I talked about people we knew that were certain Hydro-trump made a big difference when administered early?
There's now a published, multi-hospital controlled study that says the same thing.
The guy that faked the studies to say it didn't work and was dangerous may be the biggest mass murderer so far this century.
That last sentence is quite an exaggeration.
It's not just that "one bad report" which sidetracked HCL: there were literally 30+ important studies from all around the world in the past month or two which simply did not show hydroxychloroquine to have an effect (or not enough to show up beyond the margin of error of the experiment).
The one observational study you link above seems interesting but it is such an outlier from the numerous studies around the world over the past 2-3 months. That is usually a red flag.
The only interesting thing about this recent study will be if it can pinpoint a very precise time after infection that HCL helps because there are numerous studies already showing it has no effect preventing infection and little effect fight symptoms once they are serious.
This is from a Science article on just a handful of the recent studies (that also discusses the negative affects of the bad study you mention above):
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5 June, researchers in the United Kingdom announced the results from the largest trial yet, Recovery, in a press release. In a group of 1542 hospitalized patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, 25.7% had died after 28 days, compared with 23.5% in a group of 3132 patients who had only received standard care. “These data convincingly rule out any meaningful mortality benefit,”
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Another hope for hydroxychloroquine, that it might prevent people exposed to the virus from getting sick, also faded last week when David Boulware of the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, and colleagues published the results of the largest study to date of this strategy, called postexposure prophylaxis (PEP). The researchers sent either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo by mail to 821 people who had been in close contact with a COVID-19 patient for more than 10 minutes without proper protection. They reported in The New England Journal of Medicine that 12% of the people who took the drug went on to develop COVID-19 symptoms, versus 14% in a placebo group, a difference that was not statistically significant.
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A second large PEP trial has come up empty as well, its leader tells Science. Carried out in Barcelona, Spain, that study randomized more than 2300 people exposed to the virus to either hydroxychloroquine or the usual care. There was no significant difference between the number of people in each group who developed COVID-19.
The data are important because they come from large randomized trials. So far, most data came from small trials or case series.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/three-big-studies-dim-hopes-hydroxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 10:02 am
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