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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk
Posted on 5/11/18 at 6:58 am to CrimsonTider98
Posted on 5/11/18 at 6:58 am to CrimsonTider98
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KJ Mcdaniel and Craig Sword
Neither one of these guys were considered elite HS recruits/talents. They weren't even offered by Bama or Auburn
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TBH, if we can't build a fence around the state, there is no realistic way that we can build a consistently successful program
No you don't.
This isn't football, you only recruit 3-4 players a yr on avg. It is impossible to build a fence and you don't even need to
Also, you'd have to have perfect scouting/development for the state of Alabama to produce consistent NCAA tournament success
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 7:11 am
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 7:44 am to GenesChin
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This isn't football, you only recruit 3-4 players a yr on avg. It is impossible to build a fence and you don't even need to Also, you'd have to have perfect scouting/development for the state of Alabama to produce consistent NCAA tournament success
I see what you're saying, but until Alabama builds a program capable of recruiting nationally, we have to be almost perfect in-state.
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Neither one of these guys were considered elite HS recruits/talents. They weren't even offered by Bama or Auburn
So what? Alabama entered the 2012-13 season with 10 scholarship players. That team could've been one of the best teams in UA history if it weren't for poor roster management.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 7:50 am to GenesChin
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Neither one of these guys were considered elite HS recruits/talents. They weren't even offered by Bama or Auburn
Lee was the only real In-state miss by Grant, and it might have cost him his job. Haas was never going to consider us because of his dad, and he looked like Engstrom 2.0 in HS when I saw him play. Grant wasn't a good coach, but he did have a lot of bad fortune when it came to the in-state talent. Outside of the 2011 class, there was a severe drought in the state of Alabama. Even the 2014 class which we thought would be dynamite, turned out to be not so great outside of William Lee and Haas.
Grant was also the king of second place finishes when it came to top recruiting talents in general, a lot of which weren't his fault. Cauley-Stein would've likely been ours if UK didn't strike out on all their 5-star bigs and Cal offered him last minute without even seeing him play 1 game of basketball (still kills me to this day). And then there was Anthony Barber, who many thought we were in the lead for until he swiped something from a player on a visit to Louisville and got all of his scholarships revoked except for Gottfried's, of course. Barber also caused us to miss out on top 100 PG Pookie Powell, because we made him wait on Barber. Following recruiting under Grant was some very exciting, but ultimately depressing times.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:05 am to BigBird09
Oh I agree. I was surprised at how good haas ended up being, but considering our lack of big men he was always worth the risk. Lee was definitely the top player in what turned out to be a decent 2014 class. Say what you want about Avery, but as long as he's here, the top player in the state won't end up at UAB.
Not offering McDaniel or Sword was a bonehead move that was ultimately more frustrating than our misses, especially since we entered the 2012-13 season with only 10 scholarship players. The 2013 team stands out as one that could have been really good. That team was loaded with talent in the weakest SEC I've ever seen, but ultimately poor roster management and coaching did them in.
Not offering McDaniel or Sword was a bonehead move that was ultimately more frustrating than our misses, especially since we entered the 2012-13 season with only 10 scholarship players. The 2013 team stands out as one that could have been really good. That team was loaded with talent in the weakest SEC I've ever seen, but ultimately poor roster management and coaching did them in.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:06 am to CrimsonTider98
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I see what you're saying, but until Alabama builds a program capable of recruiting nationally, we have to be almost perfect in-state.
Even if not nationally, there is enough talent in the Southeast for a solid recruiting SEC staff at Bama to easily get their share.
Recruiting nationally for basketball is also significantly easier than for say football.
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Not offering McDaniel or Sword was a bonehead move that was ultimately more frustrating than our misses,
In KJ McDaniels' 2011 class, Alabama signed 5 players that were higher rated than KJ McDaniels, including 2 that played the same position as KJ
So not sure what you are trying to get at here
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or Sword
No one expected Sword to be a good college player. That's why he only had 1 major offer in MSU
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Not offering
Are yo uabout to start advocating that Bama use all their scholarships on the kids in Alabama other schools don't want?
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:33 am to GenesChin
A big part of recruiting is talent evaluation, not just offering the highest ranked guys according to Scout or Rivals. We offered Sexton before he blew up and got in on Walton before most others. Unlike our last staff, this staff understands how to evaluate talent. And yes, considering how thin our depth was during those years, Sword and McDaniel definitely should have been offered. No question.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:36 am to CrimsonTider98
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Sword and McDaniel definitely should have been offered. No question.
That's like saying every high-major school should have offered Stephen Curry, Damien Lillard, Elfrid Payton, etc... Some players way out-perform expectations. There will always be players that fly under the radar and end up being impressive. On top of their low high-major interest, McDaniels was a part of a 2011 class that included Randolph, Cooper and Lacey (all top 50 quality players) and Obasohan (who turned out to be a stud), while Sword was a 2012 guard where we were set for the foreseeable future (Releford, Lacey, Randolph, Cooper, Obasohan). Of those two, only McDaniels proved to be better than any of those players listed (and Cooper is the only that wouldn't have an argument in that debate). As for Sword, he benefited from getting touches playing for very bad teams (in his 4 years State went 51-77).
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:58 am to CrimsonTider98
quote:McDaniels was in the same class as Randolph and Cooper, who were both considered better prospects. Getting mad at Grant for not recruiting McDaniels would be like getting mad at K for not recruiting Steph. Sword (who wasn't even that good) was in the same class as Pollard.
Not offering McDaniel or Sword was a bonehead move that was ultimately more frustrating than our misses, especially since we entered the 2012-13 season with only 10 scholarship players. The 2013 team stands out as one that could have been really good. That team was loaded with talent in the weakest SEC I've ever seen, but ultimately poor roster management and coaching did them in.
Not getting the best in-state talent is probably the last reason that Grant didn't work out. He did a pretty good job of it overall; Alabama was just barren there for a few years
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:00 pm to BigBird09
Sword was never on a team that won more than 14 games. He's a really odd one to be mad about missing out on
Posted on 5/11/18 at 1:38 pm to CrimsonTider98
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big part of recruiting is talent evaluation, not just offering the highest ranked guys according to Scout or Rivals
No one evaluated kJ McDaniel/Craig Sword as top P5 caliber players because they didn't show it in HS before signing. Just look at their offer sheet, no major offers and even a desperate Tony Barbee didn't offer. It wasn't an evaluation problem, they didn't show P5+ talent until they made it to college
That's like saying Georgia had poor evaluation on Bryce Brown who was All SEC + invited to NBA workout by the Hawks this past weekend. That's BS. Bryce Brown wasn't a great prospect, hell some AU fans didn't think he was a good player starting this season
The truth is AU struck out on Jacob Evans and we needed a SG bad enough to take a last minute recruiting pitch to a kid who had no P5 offers or even respectable midmajor offers
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 5/11/18 at 2:38 pm to GenesChin
Btw guys, we won’t be getting Rivny. Our roster is set now
Edit: Roster may not be set, but Rivny won’t be a part of it
Edit: Roster may not be set, but Rivny won’t be a part of it
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 5/11/18 at 2:51 pm to Bamafan15
According to who
Posted on 5/11/18 at 3:01 pm to TomRollTideRitter
It wasn’t publicly announced or anything. But I saw proof today that Rivny is no longer an option
Edit: Just heard we still may add another 2018 prospect, but not Rivny
Edit: Just heard we still may add another 2018 prospect, but not Rivny
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/11/18 at 3:05 pm to Bamafan15
Just say what you saw 
Posted on 5/11/18 at 5:26 pm to GenesChin
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No one evaluated kJ McDaniel/Craig Sword as top P5 caliber players because they didn't show it in HS before signing
Well, If I'm not mistaking, Clemson and State are both Power 5 programs. Considering we never went into a season with a full roster during those years, there really was no reason not to offer them. Hell, don't just take my word for it. Even the Great Anthony Grant himself admitted that he made a mistake not offering McDaniels. It's not hindsight either. I hated not entering the season with full rosters then.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 5/11/18 at 5:35 pm to GatorsGators
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Alabama was just barren there for a few years
There'some truth to that, but mostly it was more a case of poor player development by historically bad coaching staffs at Alabama and Auburn.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 6:11 pm to CrimsonTider98
re: our sec schedule
does it get easier next year? seemed like it was one of the tougher one's this past year
does it get easier next year? seemed like it was one of the tougher one's this past year
Posted on 5/12/18 at 10:32 am to McGregor
The conference schedule should be
Home
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Arkansas (I think)
Away
Auburn
LSU
Miss State
Florida
South Carolina
Tennessee
Missouri
Arkansas
Ole Miss (I think)
Home
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Arkansas (I think)
Away
Auburn
LSU
Miss State
Florida
South Carolina
Tennessee
Missouri
Arkansas
Ole Miss (I think)
Posted on 5/13/18 at 2:24 am to TomRollTideRitter
That would be a less grueling sec slate. On the recruiting front I don't see reason for much concern about Kira Lewis as far as Kentucky goes. Their fans aren't mentioning him and the #s won't fit him into their 2019 class anyway. The only Lewis they are focused on is Scottie Lewis ,and cal has been on his trail for a long time. Kansas would be my only concern about Kira. I still expect Lewis, Watford, and probably Walton for 2019.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 11:18 am to Bamainva40
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That would be a less grueling sec slate.
Maybe less grueling in terms of consistent difficulty w Arky/OM on there
Bama probably has the hardest permanent 'rivals' w LSU/MSU/AU... Which is really weird to say
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