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Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:35 am to DLev45
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:35 am to DLev45
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There is a hidden stat in these numbers as well.
The Oats system wants paint touches to lead to open kick-out 3s.
Offensive rebounds are the ultimate paint touch for this. The defense is trying to crash the boards, so they leave their man on the perimeter.
Bruner's 30 ORB is still 2nd on the team behind only Herb with 43, and Bruner hasn't played the last 8 games!
A good deal of those Bruner ORB+AST are going to be open kick-out 3s.
Bruner gets the board, finds Petty/Shack/Primo/Quinerly/Ellis in the corner for a wide open 3, or the corner man can make the extra pass to another open shooter at the elbow or top of the key when the defense is scrambling to close-out.
Yep - excellent points.
I mean there is a reason all of us were bouncing off the walls when Bruner committed to us. He was truly the missing piece from this roster. Once everyone got comfortable playing together, he showed why.
Getting him back completely changes the way we are able to run our offense.
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:36 am to phil4bama
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Maybe it is just random luck
Our basketball team does seem snakebit, but in prior seasons our roster of quality players was so thin one injury just killed us. We actually have depth now to overcome it, though with struggles. And Herb's style of play is just prone to injuries. Not sure he's made it an entire season without an injury since getting here. Props to him for playing through most of them. Tough kid.
If Gary is out for a few games, I think that squashes any talk of resting Herb for a game or two. Rojas and Reese just can't carry the load in the frontcourt.
And I think we need to temper talk on things getting better as soon as Bruner comes back. It's going to take him 2 or 3 games to get back into playing shape.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 8:37 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:38 am to The Spleen
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And I think we need to temper talk on things getting better as soon as Bruner comes back. It's going to take him 2 or 3 games to get back into playing shape.
Yep - which is why it'd be really advantageous if he could start building up minutes starting with Vanderbilt or Arkansas.
We need him in sync and comfortable come SECT (if it happens) and especially NCAAT.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Georgia and Vanderbilt are wretched defensive teams and A&M isn't a whole lot better. If we can keep building a little bit, then get Bruner back to supercharge it, maybe we have a shot.
I thought the Vandy game was the one they expect him back for. But yeah, the next three games are against bad teams that are particularly bad on defense so we really need to use them to get back on track before @Arky and @State back to back. I really don't want us to be in a position where we have to win one or both of those to lock up the conference championship.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:43 am to The Spleen
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Our basketball team does seem snakebit, but in prior seasons our roster of quality players was so thin one injury just killed us. We actually have depth now to overcome it, though with struggles. And Herb's style of play is just prone to injuries. Not sure he's made it an entire season without an injury since getting here. Props to him for playing through most of them. Tough kid.
If Gary is out for a few games, I think that squashes any talk of resting Herb for a game or two. Rojas and Reese just can't carry the load in the frontcourt.
And I think we need to temper talk on things getting better as soon as Bruner comes back. It's going to take him 2 or 3 games to get back into playing shape.
I'm not in the camp that believes its a super big mystery with the injuries. Bigs get hurt more. They bang more. Basketball is a much more physical game for a forward than for a guard. And Herb plays like a big. He is a banger, too.
We started the season with Bruner, Reese, Rojas, Tchikou, and KAH as our bigs. We thought 5 would be plenty since we play 5-out and have one on the floor at the most, and never 2.
But that's where the bad luck has come in.
Tchikou - went down before the season started
Bruner - non-contact
Reese - hasn't been 100% for 2 years, hip surgery and now a knee
Rojas - COVID and some other undisclosed injury
KAH - doesn't have CNO's trust for whatever reason, but I think we are running out options to avoid playing him.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:43 am to Robot Santa
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I thought the Vandy game was the one they expect him back for. But yeah, the next three games are against bad teams that are particularly bad on defense so we really need to use them to get back on track before @Arky and @State back to back. I really don't want us to be in a position where we have to win one or both of those to lock up the conference championship.
I know Alabama/February/etc but at this point you'd have to combine a collapse of epic proportions with Missouri playing their most consistent 3 weeks of basketball all season for us to not be champions by the last 2-3 games of the season.
The math just doesn't work out for anyone but us - especially with the 3 games that lie ahead of us and what, I think we determined, is basically a 4 game magic number.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:45 am to Robot Santa
quote:Misleading statement. "Some of the turnovers were just mishandles. Herb 7 ast, for him to have 4 TO, most were just mishandles. Until he gets back to practicing, he's going to be rusty. Hard to play 2 games a week and be sharp. He keeps getting better." Shackleford and Quinerly really need to control ball movement when going to basket. It's a easy fix.
The offense is starting to get really concerning. No one is skilled at finishing at the rim and Herb is the only guy even considering passing once he gets into the paint.
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We need Bruner back in a bad way. His ability to pass from inside is invaluable. I know our offense looked good for a few games without him, but now that teams have adjusted we don't seem to have an answer.
Not true. We have answered in the game, but lack of ball movement was due to lack of efforts and Oats has addressed that. Last night's effort was much better than it was last week.
quote:Not true. Our Defense has been consistent. We're in top 10 for defensive rating somewhere.. I can't remember exactly.
We just don't have the right kind of players to burn a team who decides to defend the perimeter instead of playing help defense inside.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:45 am to DLev45
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KAH - doesn't have CNO's trust for whatever reason, but I think we are running out options to avoid playing him.
This is one I've been curious about - I expected to see more minutes from him last night after Gary went down (and had kind of expected to see him in some capacity even before that).
Miles is getting 4-5 minutes a night now and I definitely did not expect him to bump up rotation in from of KAH (different positions, I know, but just in general).
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
Can we take a moment to appreciate that the February collapse we are all scared shitless of is not winning the SEC regular season title and falling from a 2-seed to a 5/6 seed, rather than being a bubble team?
We already have 12 Q1+Q2 wins. I doubt we have done that in the last 30 years, if ever. And that's still with a month to play.
We already have 12 Q1+Q2 wins. I doubt we have done that in the last 30 years, if ever. And that's still with a month to play.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 8:47 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:47 am to Chadaristic
Not much S&C guy can do about South Carolina guy yanking Gary's arm out of joint. Bruner had bad knees coming in, but Ky guy hit his knee pretty hard. We'll see how he comes back. They really should tie Herb to the bench a couple of games, but it's hard to hold Herb down. He wants to play.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:48 am to DLev45
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Can we take a moment to appreciate that the February collapse we are all scared shitless of is not winning the SEC regular season title and falling from a 2-seed to a 5/6 seed, rather than being a bubble team?
Not to mention..............last night's game was a February collapse game. Road game, inconsistent but talented opponent, close game in which we couldn't pull away, etc.
And we won. There is a W next to that game for us. That's a game we lose during the collapse years.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:50 am to Panthers4life
Literally nothing you said addressed a single thing you're telling me I'm wrong about, but OK.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:51 am to The Spleen
I would rather bring Bruner in slowly.. let him play last 2 games of season. Miss st and Auburn. SEC tourney and then We should be somewhat healthy for NCAA tourney
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:59 am to DLev45
One other thing I'll say is despite all the hand wringing from us, every top 25 team out there except for Baylor and Gonzaga is pretty inconsistent as well. It's a weird season. Teams had limited fall practices, some teams have had games postponed, the SEC schedule has no off games, etc. It's been hard for a lot of teams to maintain consistency this season, so that makes this recent streak of games a little easier to swallow with that perspective. And even with our struggles, our 2 losses are on the road to top 15 teams, and we had opportunities late in both games to win them. We're still in really good shape.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 9:06 am to Robot Santa
1) The Misleading statement: I never disagreed with you. I added context to your statement. It was misleading
because they are skilled enough to finish at the basket, they just aren't controlling the ball well when driving to basket.
That's more to lack of focus/effort than skilled.
2) I kinda disagreed with you on that part. Again, it's not the fact we don't seem to have answer for offense issues...
That's not true and Oat has addressed that and said it's more to lack of efforts/not finishing plays.
3) You said we don't have right kind of players to burn a team who decided to defense perimeter... That is not true again.
We do have right players and it's more again of effort. We have played 3 point teams and we played them well. We just aren't consistent
defending 3's. We are in top 10 or 15 in defensive effiectively
Now, check out the link: LINK
Look at the last 3 games... we've cut down on that.
It's not about agreeing/disagreeing, it's more about making sure we know the full context of the statements.
because they are skilled enough to finish at the basket, they just aren't controlling the ball well when driving to basket.
That's more to lack of focus/effort than skilled.
2) I kinda disagreed with you on that part. Again, it's not the fact we don't seem to have answer for offense issues...
That's not true and Oat has addressed that and said it's more to lack of efforts/not finishing plays.
3) You said we don't have right kind of players to burn a team who decided to defense perimeter... That is not true again.
We do have right players and it's more again of effort. We have played 3 point teams and we played them well. We just aren't consistent
defending 3's. We are in top 10 or 15 in defensive effiectively
Now, check out the link: LINK
Look at the last 3 games... we've cut down on that.
It's not about agreeing/disagreeing, it's more about making sure we know the full context of the statements.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 9:06 am to The Spleen
The Spleen... correct. I agree!
Posted on 2/10/21 at 9:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
Y'all are kinda expanding the scope of what the February collapse really is. The first week or week and a half of February is usually fine. It's the last 4-6 games of the season that have typically gotten us. We are just now entering our traditional February collapse territory. Fortunately this year we have built in more than enough cushion that going 2-4 down the stretch won't send us to the NIT.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 9:09 am to Panthers4life
Rankings Update 2-10-21
Resume Rankings
- NET : #9
- ELO : #8
- RPI : #6
- ESPN SOR : #6
Efficiency Rankings
- KenPom : #8
- Haslam : #6
- T-Rank : #11
- ESPN BPI: #14
Resume Rankings
- NET : #9
- ELO : #8
- RPI : #6
- ESPN SOR : #6
Efficiency Rankings
- KenPom : #8
- Haslam : #6
- T-Rank : #11
- ESPN BPI: #14
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 9:11 am to Robot Santa
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It's the last 4-6 games of the season that have typically gotten us. We are just now entering our traditional February collapse territory. Fortunately this year we have built in more than enough cushion that going 2-4 down the stretch won't send us to the NIT.
You know what is funny - the worst February collapse we've ever had was actually the year we made the NCAA Tournament with Sexton.
We were 17-9 (8-5) on February 14th
- @ Kentucky (loss by 10)
- @ Auburn (loss by 19)
- Arkansas (loss by 3)
- Florida (loss by 21) (holy shite was that awful)
- @ Texas A&M (loss by 2)
Of course, we followed it up with the 2 wins in Nashville to salvage things, but what a run that was to end the regular season.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 9:13 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 9:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
To follow up on Robot's more specific February collapse timeframe
From February 10 to the end of the regular season - Last 3 years (record on Feb 9)
2021 : ?-? (16-5, 11-1)
2020 : 3-5 (13-10, 5-5)
2019 : 2-6 (15-8, 6-4)
2018 : 2-5 (15-9, 6-5)
Overall : 7-16
From February 10 to the end of the regular season - Last 3 years (record on Feb 9)
2021 : ?-? (16-5, 11-1)
2020 : 3-5 (13-10, 5-5)
2019 : 2-6 (15-8, 6-4)
2018 : 2-5 (15-9, 6-5)
Overall : 7-16
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 9:19 am
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