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re: Alabama 77 @ Florida 100 Final - ABC

Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:19 pm to
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Our 2021 and 2023 teams both had a physical and tough mentality to the defense. It’s not like Oats has never had it. For some reason, we haven’t been able to get back to it since 2023…likely due to both personnel and coaching.


Yeah, and it's not something he ignores -- at least when you hear him from the stands at games. It's not really effort either.

I kind of agree with posters here saying it's how the defense is being coached.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
4428 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:22 pm to
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Its a modified form of street ball. When we drill 3's we win and when we don't 'feel' on, we lose.


We shot 41% from 3 today. The 5 out offense isn't a modified form of street ball. Duke runs a 5 out offense. Hurley won 2 titles at Uconn with his own version of the same offense.
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
1480 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:27 pm to
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I kind of agree with posters here saying it's how the defense is being coached.


Agreed and I will say again, when we are high pressing Xavian Lee and Boogie Fland we are either really bad at scouting defense or our defensive coach has to much nba in him and doesn't understand college defense. There is no illegal defense in college, you don't have to cover big guys on islands and you don't have to extend coverage on poor perimeter shooters.

Pack it in and make them beat you at the weakest part of their game. We actually did it for the first 10 minutes and looked fine, but we were in this unbelievable hurry to turn the ball over on offense it didn't translate into momentum
Posted by Shocco
Member since Nov 2015
2374 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:29 pm to
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Duke
Don't disappoint yourself with comparisons to Duke vs us.
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
1480 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:29 pm to
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We shot 41% from 3 today. The 5 out offense isn't a modified form of street ball. Duke runs a 5 out offense. Hurley won 2 titles at Uconn with his own version of the same offense.


Duke certainly dumps the ball into the post to Boozer and UConn does as well. We don't even present the mystery of it
This post was edited on 2/1/26 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
8930 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:37 pm to
Problem with this team is Nate had some busts in the portal. Williamson, Bethea, Bol Bowen, Mallette..all have been disappointing. Bound to happen some years with the portal. If Philon hadn’t come back at the last minute, this team would be a disaster.
This post was edited on 2/1/26 at 3:56 pm
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
8482 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:43 pm to
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when we are high pressing Xavian Lee and Boogie Fland we are either really bad at scouting defense or our defensive coach has to much nba in him and doesn't understand college defense.


The fouls we have committed near half court with Holloway or someone else playing high press 45ft from the basket are infuriating (especially at the end of games with the team already in bonus). There’s literally no reason to pick up a guy that far away unless all 3 of these things are true (or we’re losing by 20 with limited time):

1) our defender is elite at picking a guy’s pocket
2) their dribbler is a little suspect at TOs when pressured
3) getting a foul isn’t a major issue

Generally if all 3 of those aren’t true, there’s no reason to be playing press man defense on the logo.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
13119 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:49 pm to
Bingo

It had to happen sooner or later

Now what does he do with his defensive coach?
Posted by hwyman108
Member since Nov 2016
2373 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:50 pm to
I believe Oats is doing the best he can with the basketball budget that’s allotted. He’s trying to find hidden talent in lower division and using the best economical value he can afford.

Yes he needs to do better getting tougher in the paint and finding some Big Brutal MF’ers that can be featured more to score and dominate.

Any time there’s blood in the water the shite stirring sharks always show up. Don’t let them bother you, ignore them… they will go away eventually.

Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
8930 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 3:57 pm to
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Bingo

It had to happen sooner or later

Now what does he do with his defensive coach?


Defense hasn’t been the same since Charlie Henry left
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26306 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:00 pm to
Whatever we are doing it sure doesn't work against Florida.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12323 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:03 pm to
Call me stupid but I think we’re closer to figuring out the next big step for our program with Oats than without him. I’ll be critical but the things that are hurting us now are correctable in the offseason. Need changes with the assistants and what we target in our bigs
Posted by RTRnFlorida
Member since Mar 2024
2902 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:09 pm to
We just lost by almost 30 after being down by more than 30. We’ve lost 70% of our games this year.

This team is a fricking disaster. WTH are you talking about?
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9184 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:09 pm to
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Duke certainly dumps the ball into the post to Boozer and UConn does as well. We don't even present the mystery of it


Maybe it's what you mean but I don't see our offense as so black and white in terms of never getting the ball to the post players in the paint.

Florida never runs any type of old fashioned post up style either. They beat players off the dribble, get the defense moving and then pass to a lot of height mismatches in the lane or their bigs also just drive/back the ball down on us.

Sherell is coming along in terms of finding some openings in the lane and our guards do pass him the ball for him to go to work in the paint. But, that's a skill set he's learning more than one he came to campus with last year.

It just seems to me that Florida isn't doing something we purposely try to ignore. They just have four bigs that are excellent passing and scoring around the basket --and shoot very poorly from outside-- more than they play a radically different style like Purdue, for example.

I think that we struggle stopping guards from picking out any pass they want makes it seem more different in design than it is.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
4428 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:27 pm to
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We just lost by almost 30 after being down by more than 30. We’ve lost 70% of our games this year.

This team is a fricking disaster. WTH are you talking about?


We lost by 23 and our largest deficit was 27. We're 14-7. We've lost 33.3% of our games this year. Math clearly isn't your strong suit. Your posts are becoming more and more unhinged. Perhaps take a break.
Posted by RTRnFlorida
Member since Mar 2024
2902 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:30 pm to
I was being fecicious you dumb bitch. We suck. Here’s some actual stats for you.

They led 90% of the game, and 60% of the game was by more than double digits.

Keep telling yourself we’re a great, efficient basketball team, that’s coached well and be thankful it wasn’t by more. They took it easy on us.

You’re probably a bama fan that actually thinks we’ll be good as long as we have DeBust at the helm.
This post was edited on 2/1/26 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12323 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:37 pm to
Getting FOGgy in here
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
4428 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:37 pm to
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fecicious


Facetious. Who's the dumb bitch?
Posted by GoodTalkRuss
Member since Dec 2019
1480 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:38 pm to
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The fouls we have committed near half court with Holloway or someone else playing high press 45ft from the basket are infuriating (especially at the end of games with the team already in bonus). There’s literally no reason to pick up a guy that far away unless all 3 of these things are true (or we’re losing by 20 with limited time): 1) our defender is elite at picking a guy’s pocket 2) their dribbler is a little suspect at TOs when pressured 3) getting a foul isn’t a major issue Generally if all 3 of those aren’t true, there’s no reason to be playing press man defense on the logo.


Fland entered today shooting 19% from 3 for the season and Lee was at 23% for the year. Why in the hell are we trying to force them into dribble penetration by high pressing???? It makes absolutely zero logical sense. We want the ball in their hands 25 feet from the basket. Teams that have beaten UF this year or played them close have all forced them to make perimeter shots or long 2s.
Posted by BamaBravesPackers
Member since Nov 2021
8482 posts
Posted on 2/1/26 at 4:41 pm to
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Fland entered today shooting 19% from 3 for the season and Lee was at 23% for the year. Why in the hell are we trying to force them into dribble penetration by high pressing???? It makes absolutely zero logical sense. We want the ball in their hands 25 feet from the basket. Teams that have beaten UF this year or played them close have all forced them to make perimeter shots or long 2s.


Yep, and some teams have even used a 2/3 zone to make it happen. A concept we couldn’t execute even if we wanted to.
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