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re: After the Playoff Games. Our Defense is fine.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:55 pm to 3down10
Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:55 pm to 3down10
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So you admit the stats you posted are bull shite and don't mean anything.
It means that our defense did not show any improvement and we played a poor game in Game 12 against an average offense, allowing that offense to do things they hadn't done against a defense with a pulse all year. Which was what the entire point of the stats was to begin with.
Continue on with your shouting at a brick wall.
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Posted on 12/29/19 at 7:56 pm to 3down10
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I don't think he's trolling, I think he's stupid, formed a false narrative and then went looking for stats to back up that narrative.
Guy calls other guy stupid for backing up position of poor performance late in year with pts allowed, yards allowed and comparisons to other defensive teams vs same offense.
Keep in mind, we're all the stupid ones. 95% of us. He's the enlightened 5%. If you don't agree you are frickin stupid and suck rival fans penises or something.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It means that our defense did not show any improvement and we played a poor game in Game 12 against an average offense, allowing that offense to do things they hadn't done against a defense with a pulse all year. Which was what the entire point of the stats was to begin with.
Continue on with your shouting at a brick wall.
So you are back to saying Tulane did better defensively than we did? That it had nothing to do with Auburn playing like shite?
That Auburn is the one team that consistently played the same all year to make these judgments on? Auburn's 2nd game of the year, against a team they didn't think much of, after just playing a top25 Oregon team the week before, is a stat you think is comparable to week 12, against their rival, at home.
How does that stat show our defense didn't show any improvement?
Did you actually watch the games? How can you say we didn't set the edge better than we did at the start of the year? Because we did.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Guy calls other guy stupid for backing up position of poor performance late in year with pts allowed, yards allowed and comparisons to other defensive teams vs same offense.
Keep in mind, we're all the stupid ones. 95% of us. He's the enlightened 5%. If you don't agree you are frickin stupid and suck rival fans penises or something.
If Saban keeps Golding, what will you say then?
And you sucking off other fanbases is another topic. I don't really see any other posters who do that, so that would be something that only applies to you.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:41 pm to 3down10
The more I watched those playoff games I saw how close our current defense is to being one of the best defenses in all of college football. We are not far off and that's without guys who are future NFL players who are out due to injury. Golding hasn't been perfect but I'm willing to give him another shot with a healthier, more experienced defense.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:42 pm to 3down10
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If Saban keeps Golding, what will you say then?
I'm fine with it. I won't lie and say I'm excited about it, based on the things I've noted in this thread, but I also know that he was in an insanely difficult position this year with 2 totally raw QBs of the defense. I think it would be pretty insane to fire him based on this year with the depth and injury issues we had.
But it's more because of this year being a N/A than based on any positives I saw.
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And you sucking off other fanbases is another topic. I don't really see any other posters who do that, so that would be something that only applies to you.
Sorry you are such a snowflake that you can't deal with folks who have positive opinions/takes on players from other teams and discuss them with fans of those teams.
Deal with it.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I'm not going to get into the argument here, but I'll state my opinion. Anyone can feel free to tell me I suck whatever appendages of any fan base they choose.
Our defense was hamstrung by injuries and youth this year. That's not up for debate; it's a fact.
Even with these limitations, we fielded a good defense by normal standards. The problem is, we're accustomed to a great (if not excellent) defense year-in and year-out.
There were troubling issues with tackling, missed assignments, and third-down conversions throughout the year. The improvement we've come to expect as the season progresses didn't happen … or if it DID happen, it happened so incrementally as to be unnoticeable. I honestly don't know if it was scheme, or lack of experience by young players, or an inability of our DC to communicate properly, or what. All I know is, we did not field a defense up to Alabama standards.
At the same time, our offense -- as good as it was -- did not play up to its potential in the biggest games (LSU, Auburn). Yes, I know, we put up tremendous stats and a boatload of points, but we didn't get points when we needed them, and we had turnovers at the most inopportune times. (Seriously, I think it's physically impossible to come up with worse times to have turnovers in those games than we did.)
The upshot is, our defense looked good in general, but tended to take steps backwards when it needed to be improving. By the same token, our offense was unstoppable at times, but couldn't get out of its own way at times in our biggest games.
In short, this 10-win season (soon to be 11-win) is a failure by our standards. I'm hopeful our miserable injury luck will turn next year, and that we'll get back some of the juniors who could turn pro (most notably Moses, Wills and Smith). If those two things happen, I really believe we'll be right back in the playoff next year.
Our defense was hamstrung by injuries and youth this year. That's not up for debate; it's a fact.
Even with these limitations, we fielded a good defense by normal standards. The problem is, we're accustomed to a great (if not excellent) defense year-in and year-out.
There were troubling issues with tackling, missed assignments, and third-down conversions throughout the year. The improvement we've come to expect as the season progresses didn't happen … or if it DID happen, it happened so incrementally as to be unnoticeable. I honestly don't know if it was scheme, or lack of experience by young players, or an inability of our DC to communicate properly, or what. All I know is, we did not field a defense up to Alabama standards.
At the same time, our offense -- as good as it was -- did not play up to its potential in the biggest games (LSU, Auburn). Yes, I know, we put up tremendous stats and a boatload of points, but we didn't get points when we needed them, and we had turnovers at the most inopportune times. (Seriously, I think it's physically impossible to come up with worse times to have turnovers in those games than we did.)
The upshot is, our defense looked good in general, but tended to take steps backwards when it needed to be improving. By the same token, our offense was unstoppable at times, but couldn't get out of its own way at times in our biggest games.
In short, this 10-win season (soon to be 11-win) is a failure by our standards. I'm hopeful our miserable injury luck will turn next year, and that we'll get back some of the juniors who could turn pro (most notably Moses, Wills and Smith). If those two things happen, I really believe we'll be right back in the playoff next year.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:44 pm to Sauron
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The upshot is, our defense looked good in general, but tended to take steps backwards when it needed to be improving. By the same token, our offense was unstoppable at times, but couldn't get out of its own way at times in our biggest games.
In short, this 10-win season (soon to be 11-win) is a failure by our standards. I'm hopeful our miserable injury luck will turn next year, and that we'll get back some of the juniors who could turn pro (most notably Moses, Wills and Smith). If those two things happen, I really believe we'll be right back in the playoff next year.
Very well said
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:50 pm to Shaft Williams
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The more I watched those playoff games I saw how close our current defense is to being one of the best defenses in all of college football. We are not far off and that's without guys who are future NFL players who are out due to injury. Golding hasn't been perfect but I'm willing to give him another shot with a healthier, more experienced defense.
I agree, the only thing we are lacking is consistency. And that's going to come in time as these guys get more experience.
The talent and everything else we need is there.
As Saban would say, you don't do it until you get it right, you do it until you can't get it wrong. And they aren't to that "can't get it wrong" point yet.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 8:56 pm to Sauron
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There were troubling issues with tackling, missed assignments, and third-down conversions throughout the year. The improvement we've come to expect as the season progresses didn't happen … or if it DID happen, it happened so incrementally as to be unnoticeable. I honestly don't know if it was scheme, or lack of experience by young players, or an inability of our DC to communicate properly, or what. All I know is, we did not field a defense up to Alabama standards.
What I saw was a lack of consistency, which directly comes from a lack of experience. They would play great 95% of the time, and then they would have 1 big play that would get away from them.
Another thing were penalities. Which is again, something you can expect from inexperienced players.
In the past, when we were full of guys with 3-5 years in the system, we were much more consistent, didn't have as many penalties, etc.
Those little things add up and I'd bet a pretty penny Saban lets them all know it.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm fine with it. I won't lie and say I'm excited about it, based on the things I've noted in this thread, but I also know that he was in an insanely difficult position this year with 2 totally raw QBs of the defense. I think it would be pretty insane to fire him based on this year with the depth and injury issues we had.
But it's more because of this year being a N/A than based on any positives I saw.
So you think Saban keeps a DC that is as bad as everyone on this board claims?
Or can you admit that Saban likely doesn't see it the same way.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:23 pm to 3down10
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So you think Saban keeps a DC that is as bad as everyone on this board claims? Or can you admit that Saban likely doesn't see it the same way.
Can I admit? What does that mean? I'm not the spokesman of the board that you seem to be at issue with.
I don't think Golding did a great job this year. I also think he was put in a bad spot, and I think that it's unfair to judge him on it. On top of that I think running him off would be a pretty big disaster in terms of trying to hire somebody to replace him because of the message it would send. Basically, the season was kind of a throw away IMHO in terms of determining how good Golding is or isn't.
Bottom line, I think Saban thinks Golding is a bright up and coming coach, but that he also knows those other things and realizes the best answer is to bring Golding back and bank of the fact that he will improve and that the defense as a whole will be more experienced, deeper and better able to handle complex stuff next year. But I also think that Saban knows there is a risk that Golding ain't it and it costs us a championship - I just think that he has weighed the risks/rewards and decided that Golding coming back is the best choice.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:18 pm to Shaft Williams
You have defended Golding nonstop from the beginning. Stop pretending like this was some sort of process where you changed your mind.
This thread is proof how just because you watch something, doesn't mean yiy understand it.
Golding is bad and if we don't get rid of him Saban is gambling we will put up 50 a week next year to hide his deficiencies.
This thread is proof how just because you watch something, doesn't mean yiy understand it.
Golding is bad and if we don't get rid of him Saban is gambling we will put up 50 a week next year to hide his deficiencies.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:40 pm to Sauron
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There were troubling issues with tackling, missed assignments, and third-down conversions throughout the year. The improvement we've come to expect as the season progresses didn't happen … or if it DID happen, it happened so incrementally as to be unnoticeable. I honestly don't know if it was scheme, or lack of experience by young players, or an inability of our DC to communicate properly, or what. All I know is, we did not field a defense up to Alabama standards.
These issues weren't limited to true freshmen starters. Imo, they're a reflection of coaching. I witnessed a defense that didn't look like an Alabama defense. It didn't appear to be well-coached, and didn't resemble the intense focused personality of a Jeremy Pruitt or Kirby Smart, but instead was inadequately coached and resembled the personality of Pete Golding.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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No, we lost on account of our defense - including Moses
We lost that game on account of defense, mainly Clemsons defense that completely shut down our all world offense in the red zone. If our offense could have helped our defense a little who knows what happens.
We scored 16 points.
What’s wrong with you in this thread?
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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See, you are so hell bent on being red assed mad that you have somehow turned this into an Offense vs Defense thing. The offense is certainly also to blame for the Auburn game. This thread isn't about the offense (we can talk about them too if you want).
To pretend the two aren’t connected is either dishonest to say the least, or ignorant, and I don’t think you are ignorant.
Come on George, an offense can totally have a huge affect on defensive numbers, you know this.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:07 pm to TidalSurge1
I agree with you 100%.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 1:49 am to CrimsonBoz
Replying to Boz because he’s last, not directly, but here’s my summation on the entire issue.
College football victories are awarded on saturdays in the fall but won in recruiting season and in the coaches preparation all off season. Games in October are won in August. People talk about being out coached on Saturday, but at the end of the day, Saturday’s are perfunctory outcome of signing day and coaching in camp.
Golding could have had Kirby or Jeremy in the booth whispering what to call in his ear and it wouldn’t have made a difference. That’s because Kirby and Pruitt probably had a slightly better talent pool to work with, but more importantly, they could teach and COACH more effectively outside the games. In spring, in fall, they were better teachers. They did a better job of teaching the players how to play THE DEFENSE.
Wilson and Moses are as an athletic LB duo we’ve seen. Why did they underperform? Deonte Thompson, Lewis? Any of them. As athletes all of them should be up with Bama greats. Why aren’t they? Because who they had as a teacher was not as effective.
Having all 11 players doing their job in a sub optimal defense call is FAR more effective than having 10 doing their assignments in the perfect call.
You can hide warts in efficiency on offense with play calling. Anyone here think Nuss was a better play caller than Lane? frick no. But Nuss’s offenses never showed the disorganization that Lane’s did. It didn’t matter though because Lane would get it back with a brilliant call he set up quarters ago.
You can’t do that on defense. You have to be right every time. All 11. No exceptions. This is where I think Golding has failed the last two years. Players were lost too many times. Fundamentals lacked. That is 100% coaching. Sure the defensive talent wasn’t what it was in years past but it absolutely should have been enough for an ALL TIME GREAT QB AND SKILL PLAYERS.
That’s is what I see. It’s not scheme. It’s slightly some recruiting misses, but it’s 99% the defensive staff’s inability to reach the defense after Pruitt left.
College football victories are awarded on saturdays in the fall but won in recruiting season and in the coaches preparation all off season. Games in October are won in August. People talk about being out coached on Saturday, but at the end of the day, Saturday’s are perfunctory outcome of signing day and coaching in camp.
Golding could have had Kirby or Jeremy in the booth whispering what to call in his ear and it wouldn’t have made a difference. That’s because Kirby and Pruitt probably had a slightly better talent pool to work with, but more importantly, they could teach and COACH more effectively outside the games. In spring, in fall, they were better teachers. They did a better job of teaching the players how to play THE DEFENSE.
Wilson and Moses are as an athletic LB duo we’ve seen. Why did they underperform? Deonte Thompson, Lewis? Any of them. As athletes all of them should be up with Bama greats. Why aren’t they? Because who they had as a teacher was not as effective.
Having all 11 players doing their job in a sub optimal defense call is FAR more effective than having 10 doing their assignments in the perfect call.
You can hide warts in efficiency on offense with play calling. Anyone here think Nuss was a better play caller than Lane? frick no. But Nuss’s offenses never showed the disorganization that Lane’s did. It didn’t matter though because Lane would get it back with a brilliant call he set up quarters ago.
You can’t do that on defense. You have to be right every time. All 11. No exceptions. This is where I think Golding has failed the last two years. Players were lost too many times. Fundamentals lacked. That is 100% coaching. Sure the defensive talent wasn’t what it was in years past but it absolutely should have been enough for an ALL TIME GREAT QB AND SKILL PLAYERS.
That’s is what I see. It’s not scheme. It’s slightly some recruiting misses, but it’s 99% the defensive staff’s inability to reach the defense after Pruitt left.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 5:02 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 2:21 am to Wrenchruh
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That’s is what I see. It’s not scheme. It’s slightly some recruiting misses, but it’s 99% the defensive staff’s inability to teach the defense after Pruitt left.
Excellent post. And it points to key reasons I keep saying I think Glenn Schumann could be a great fit as Bama's DC/ILB coach who'd succeed where Golding hasn't -- not only his knowledge of Saban's defensive system, but also that he (like Pruitt) excels at teaching it in simplified terms that helps the players learn it all faster and better. It's the players themselves who applaud and credit the importance of Pruitt's and Schumann's abilities in that regard.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 7:57 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 7:34 am to Shaft Williams
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Us ain't LSU. LSU will roll Clemson. And, we didn't lose on account of our offense to Clemson.
but this is not the same Clemson. They lost 4 defensive linemen to the NFL. 3 in the first round.
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