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re: About Dylan Moses.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:24 am to prevatt33
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:24 am to prevatt33
According to Phil Savage this morning, the gameplan was a lot of Moses in a 3 man rotation with Holcombe and Evans.
Might be an obvious statement, but it says they believed in Moses a lot going into the game. As his snaps dwindled against MSU, seems their confidence did too...
Might be an obvious statement, but it says they believed in Moses a lot going into the game. As his snaps dwindled against MSU, seems their confidence did too...
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:32 am to MagillaGuerilla
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As his snaps dwindled against MSU, seems their confidence did too.
I would wager a guess, given how good of a gameplan MissSt had for us, that they were doing some things that were new or funky or something, and that communication and job knowledge became paramount. Freshman, no matter how physically talented, are rarely the solution in that situation.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:33 am to Commander Data
Moses didn't even play very much at linebacker until his junior or senior year. I think it's amazing that he has even contributed this season.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:40 am to phil4bama
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Then maybe it's too complicated? No reason for it to be so complicated the kids can't pick it up in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not questioning the master, but you can outthink yourself sometimes.
Well it is too complicated when all of your starters / playcaller gets hurt. Hoping we may dial it back a bit against Auburn to ease the pressure on the young guys and new starters but overall, i think the defensive strategy has been pretty solid.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:48 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Well it is too complicated when all of your starters get hurt.
I'm going to try to contruct a statement using the same logic as the one above.
"I'm putting the wrong gas in my car, and I know that because my niece has the chicken pox."
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all of your starters get hurt
Seriously? I'm seriously asking. Seriously?
We have 2 starters out on defense. Two. That's 18% of our defensive starters.
So, your definition of "all" is 18%. Got it.
Maybe you need to sit the next couple of plays out, champ.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:53 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Hoping we may dial it back a bit against Auburn
So, your plan to beat auburn is, in order to lessen the loss of physical talent at linebacker, put a simpler and therefore easier-to-scheme-against defense on the field. Gotcha.
That's like driving in a car race, nascar or the like, and having some stuff go wrong your car, rendering it not quite as good as before. And your solution to try to win the race is to not press the gas pedal quite so hard or turn the steering wheel quite so frequently.
I'm so glad you are on this website and not somehow employed by Bama's football coaching staff. So, so very glad.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 11:17 am to prevatt33
Prevatt is spot on with this. People need to understand our scheme especially in the blitz package is complicated, and for reason.
Side note, Moses took a lot of 1 team reps yesterday. If anything they are trying to get him ready to be a serviceable sub.
Side note, Moses took a lot of 1 team reps yesterday. If anything they are trying to get him ready to be a serviceable sub.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:11 pm to prevatt33
Sorry i didn't spell everything out for you but our starter and playcaller is hurt at the position this thread is about.
If a player is having trouble with the scheme due to inexperience or whatever reason, simplifying the game plan is one option that allows them to avoid blown assignments, missed gap fill resulting in a long touchdown and things of that nature. It is actually a somewhat common sentiment throughout team sports with opinions on both sides - it isn't ideal, but neither is having significant injuries.
I don't have a plan to beat Auburn, I don't know who is picking up what how fast or anything of that nature. The coaches will prepare the team the best they can and i'll watch and enjoy the games. But remember the other week when Saban said something to the effect of "half the d was in one play and the other half was in another play, if the entire d had been in either play it would have been fine" - simplifying the scheme to a degree may help achieve that if the coaches think its necessary.
I don't even know why I am entertaining your car "example", but to try and simplify the point if your engine gets damaged and is likely to blow if you go full speed - perhaps going 85% speed and trying to block the guy behind you gives you the best shot to win.
ETA: Also you misunderstood my first comment you quoted, just fyi.
If a player is having trouble with the scheme due to inexperience or whatever reason, simplifying the game plan is one option that allows them to avoid blown assignments, missed gap fill resulting in a long touchdown and things of that nature. It is actually a somewhat common sentiment throughout team sports with opinions on both sides - it isn't ideal, but neither is having significant injuries.
I don't have a plan to beat Auburn, I don't know who is picking up what how fast or anything of that nature. The coaches will prepare the team the best they can and i'll watch and enjoy the games. But remember the other week when Saban said something to the effect of "half the d was in one play and the other half was in another play, if the entire d had been in either play it would have been fine" - simplifying the scheme to a degree may help achieve that if the coaches think its necessary.
I don't even know why I am entertaining your car "example", but to try and simplify the point if your engine gets damaged and is likely to blow if you go full speed - perhaps going 85% speed and trying to block the guy behind you gives you the best shot to win.
ETA: Also you misunderstood my first comment you quoted, just fyi.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:12 pm to Commander Data
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Is anybody else a little disappointed that he isn't ready yet?
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Commander Data
Typical.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:29 pm to Commander Data
? I'm a little confused by this OP. Why should we feel disappointed? How many freshman linebackers in the country have been good in the last few years? I can't think of any of the top of my head. He is in over his head right now. I'm sure he's coming along fine and he has made some very good plays, but dude he's a freshman playing in the middle of the defense right now. Unfortunately it's by necessity And he's gonna struggle. But I don't think anyone should be disappointed
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:43 pm to Kcstills17
What I am saying is that I am not disappointed in the kid. I am disappointed that the #1 ranked inside linebacker in America isn't and wasn't ready to start when Hamilton got hurt. Do you not remember Rolando McClain coming in and starting as a true freshman and doing a great job? Donta Hightower was another one. Also CJ Mosely got significant playing time as a freshman even with a few other elite players on the roster and would have started if injuries happened.
Was just wondering why the top ranked linebacker and I think a top 10 overall player isn't able to handle the job right now. It has happened multiple times with players with far less accolades than he had coming in.
I did forget that he was a RB prospect so if he really is still learning to be a LB then that answers my question. If he is still not ready for whatever reason then it is ok and I am sure he will get there. This wasn't meant to be a bash Moses thread because he will probably leave a decorated player and 1st round draft pick in a couple more.years. He and Leatherwood were my favorite recruits from last year's class.
Was just wondering why the top ranked linebacker and I think a top 10 overall player isn't able to handle the job right now. It has happened multiple times with players with far less accolades than he had coming in.
I did forget that he was a RB prospect so if he really is still learning to be a LB then that answers my question. If he is still not ready for whatever reason then it is ok and I am sure he will get there. This wasn't meant to be a bash Moses thread because he will probably leave a decorated player and 1st round draft pick in a couple more.years. He and Leatherwood were my favorite recruits from last year's class.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 2:47 pm to Commander Data
McClain was a different type of LB. just look at his body type. He was a thumper in the middle. That helped him against the opponents we faced. Honestly Moses looks pretty similar to Rashaan Evans. And Evans made some good plays but played sparingly his first 2 years, but now I see NFL scouts salivating over his potential in the middle, in coverage, and as a pass rusher. Moses has similar potential but right now he has work to do. And nothing is wrong with that
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:07 pm to Kcstills17
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McClain was a different type of LB. just look at his body type. He was a thumper in the middle. That helped him against the opponents we faced.
Ok. If Moses isn't as good as McClain or Hightower I can accept that. Those guys were monsters. If.you are saying it is because he is a bit smaller than those guys then that still wouldn't make sense. Saban downsized his front 7 for a reason so Moses is perfect for what he wants now.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:09 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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ETA: Also you misunderstood my first comment you quoted, just fyi.
No, I didn't misunderstand your statement at all. You just worded it poorly for what you wanted to say. What you should have written was:
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Well, it is too complicated NOW THAT all of your starters HAVE GOTTEN hurt.
But, hey, it's just English, both our native languages and all. But you botched it, and then I made fun of you for it. Now we are all on the same page.
Secondly to address what is actually the less stupid part of your post, i.e. the part about dumbing down the defense so that younger players can play better - I respectfully disagree with you that that would be a good idea.
1) "All" of our starters are not hurt, as you so terribly put it.
2) Simplifying our defense would completely throw out the door a huge reason for our success. Our defense is complicated, yes, and it is a gigantic asset.
3) The simplest solution is to improve our presnap communication as Saban stated in his Monday press conference. Changing the whole defense, which is exactly what this dumbing down that you speak of is, would be like killing a fly with a tank. Simply gross overkill and a terrible, terrible, terrible idea.
Improve communication and put the best players on the field. Some of you need to remember that much of what makes a player the best is what's between his ears, both intelligence and playbook knowledge, rather than what's below his neck.
You take care, now.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:16 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Sally, I will say this: there could be a time for a coach to dumb down his defensive scheme because the players can't do it, and that specific scenario sometimes happens in year one of regime change on a team or when a team hires a new defensive coordinator who runs a completely different system from before.
Other than that specific example, I can't really think of a time when simplifying the D would be a good idea, outside of the entire 2-deep dying in a bus fire.
I'm sorry for being an @ss, but it's my way sometimes. Roll Tide.
Other than that specific example, I can't really think of a time when simplifying the D would be a good idea, outside of the entire 2-deep dying in a bus fire.
I'm sorry for being an @ss, but it's my way sometimes. Roll Tide.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:23 pm to Commander Data
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I am disappointed that the #1 ranked inside linebacker in America isn't and wasn't ready to start when Hamilton got hurt.
I'm sure he would be ready to start ... if high school was like college. Our defensive playbook is similar to an NFL team's. I guarantee you it's significantly more complex than anything a high school runs.
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Do you not remember Rolando McClain coming in and starting as a true freshman and doing a great job?
No, I don't, and neither do you. We went 6-6 in the regular season in 2007, Rolando's freshman year. Rolando was the 4th-leading tackler on the team that year. He was good, but not great.
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Donta Hightower was another one.
Dont'a Hightower (and Rolando, too, for that matter) each played their first season by necessity -- the talent cupboard was pretty bare on the defensive side of the ball. Our defense at that time was also less complex than it is now.
Our starters get something like 70% of the first-team reps in practice. Moses was, what, third string to start the year? That means he probably got 10-15% of the reps. He doesn't know all the intricacies of the defense ... and all the talent in the world doesn't help you if you're not in the right position at the right time to make a play.
Complain about Coach Saban's process all you want, but he will always prefer a player who knows his assignment on every play over one who may be more talented, but blows the occasional assignment. Based on his track record, I think it's foolish to say it's not successful.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:23 pm to prevatt33
Saban basically said in his pc last week they will dumb it down if they need to. That doesnt mean completely change the defense, but they will put together packages theyre comfortable with.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:31 pm to lion
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Saban basically said in his pc alst week they will dumb it down if they need to.
As an absolute last resort, sure. The "if they need to" part is huge.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 3:53 pm to prevatt33
I really don't care for internet posturing or arguments about grammar or punctuation on a forum and if you want to pretend like you don't follow simple statements fine by me.
But you still didn't really understand the point as I was implying that it only seems too complicated now that our starters are hurt - i wasn't agreeing with the poster i was responding to that it was too complicated now that the starters were hurt and we should change the system.
I think we are generally all, or most of us, well aware that our defensive complexity is a major asset - really no big news there.
Also, you are creating a straw man in the "change the whole defense statements" unless you actually think there is no middle ground or ways reduce a certain level of the mental load without completely dumbing down the defense. Reasonable, subtle changes may pay dividends by putting players in a position to make plays and could also also help with pre-snap communication.
Oh and being an arse is fine if that is your style, it doesn't offend me but just results in dumb back and forth shite over a generally accepted and basic comment that "maybe dialing it back a bit against Auburn will help the young players out".
But you still didn't really understand the point as I was implying that it only seems too complicated now that our starters are hurt - i wasn't agreeing with the poster i was responding to that it was too complicated now that the starters were hurt and we should change the system.
I think we are generally all, or most of us, well aware that our defensive complexity is a major asset - really no big news there.
Also, you are creating a straw man in the "change the whole defense statements" unless you actually think there is no middle ground or ways reduce a certain level of the mental load without completely dumbing down the defense. Reasonable, subtle changes may pay dividends by putting players in a position to make plays and could also also help with pre-snap communication.
Oh and being an arse is fine if that is your style, it doesn't offend me but just results in dumb back and forth shite over a generally accepted and basic comment that "maybe dialing it back a bit against Auburn will help the young players out".
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 4:12 pm to prevatt33
I like you as a poster but I hate the way you have talked down to this man like he is stupid. That is some bullshite brother. We are all here just talking Bama football. No need in it.
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