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re: Aaron Murray breaks down Milroe vs USF
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:52 am to UltimaParadox
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:52 am to UltimaParadox
quote:we have yet to see what the actual starting OLine would be like together, its been musical chairs so far. Hope at Wisconsin we see LT Proctor, LG Booker, C Brailsford, RG Roberts, RT Pritchett. Pritchett over Formby for sure. Then we will have an idea of what the line could be. Right now its just been chaos
If the O-line plays this bad every week, we will not win much with whoever is playing QB. Obviously things will change with the starters back in
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Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:56 am to Crimson K
Yeah I agree with your assessment. It's odd how he picks and chooses when to trust and when not to..
At times he will throw a guy open as well.
Which is why we need him consistent and repeating good behaviors.
At times he will throw a guy open as well.
Which is why we need him consistent and repeating good behaviors.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:03 pm to Tw1st3d
I agree with this as well.
With #2 he at least needs to throw a fit at the referee to force their hand on the next one.
He is a heck of a player but as you said he's young and easy to rough up. Other teams have seen this so we can expect they will all do it.
I can't expect him to be strong enough to fight veteran DBs off but he cam complain, throw a fit and the coaching staff can as well.
Bring so much damn attention to it that the refs hands are forced and opponents have to find another way (bracket him lol).
With #2 he at least needs to throw a fit at the referee to force their hand on the next one.
He is a heck of a player but as you said he's young and easy to rough up. Other teams have seen this so we can expect they will all do it.
I can't expect him to be strong enough to fight veteran DBs off but he cam complain, throw a fit and the coaching staff can as well.
Bring so much damn attention to it that the refs hands are forced and opponents have to find another way (bracket him lol).
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:54 pm to YStar
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At times he will throw a guy open as well. Which is why we need him consistent and repeating good behaviors
The couple of throw away she had were encouraging. I think the coaches probably got in his ear and told him we can’t have a 20 yard loss and he took it to heart. Also, he kept eyes downfield on a couple of broken okays. One was a good pickup to the TE I think, and a td to 5 was the result of the other. If he can start making Ds consistently pay for broken plays off of pressure, then watch out CFB.
ETA. I’d suggest people watch his breakdown of Thorne from Aubie and Beck from UGA. He is never overly critical of struggling guys, but he absolutely gushes over high performers. He has some interesting comments about the “lazy” concepts in the Auburn offense.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:20 pm to UltimaParadox
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As expected watching it again some obvious issues
1. O-line gets whipped badly in the passing game a lot
2. WRs dont get a lot of separation
3. Probably due to down and distance but basically offense is 4 verts
4. Jalen missed a few throws, but it really was not as bad as it seemed
If the O-line plays this bad every week, we will not win much with whoever is playing QB. Obviously things will change with the starters back in
That's how it read to me on the TV live too. Glad someone who actually did it in college saw it the same.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:32 pm to Diego Ricardo
End of the day we had issues at many position groups. We are very talented, we scored 3 in like 5 mins. It’s there.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:33 pm to Crimson K
yeah, his breakdown on our offense was pretty accurate and fair.
One thing he hinted at was the lack of urgency from our receivers, not getting off the line of scrimmage and into their routes, especially since we were getting blitzed almost every play.
Our receivers need to watch film on Smitty, he was crazy good at making db’s turn their hips and creating separation early in the route with a quick lean and step without slowing down.
Hopefully we’ll start to throw more to the backs out of the backfield and make better use of our te’s to make teams think more about bringing blitzes against us so often
One thing he hinted at was the lack of urgency from our receivers, not getting off the line of scrimmage and into their routes, especially since we were getting blitzed almost every play.
Our receivers need to watch film on Smitty, he was crazy good at making db’s turn their hips and creating separation early in the route with a quick lean and step without slowing down.
Hopefully we’ll start to throw more to the backs out of the backfield and make better use of our te’s to make teams think more about bringing blitzes against us so often
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:35 pm to Crimson K
It is clear that Milroe sometimes plays with a lot of anxiety. That anxiety causes him to be hesitant. That is a recipe for mistakes. I believe the same thing happened to Hurts in the NC game when he was replaced by Tua. Hurts eventually overcame that.
Milroe spends too much time worrying about failing. He holds onto the ball too long worrying about throwing an interception. He spends precious seconds overthinking what to do. He should forget about the naysayer crap and criticism. He is an intelligent guy with all the talent to be successful. On the exterior he seems confident but I think his confidence has some chinks. Forget the negativity. Just go out and play instinctively. Like Murray said, sometimes you just need to go out there and sling it.
Milroe spends too much time worrying about failing. He holds onto the ball too long worrying about throwing an interception. He spends precious seconds overthinking what to do. He should forget about the naysayer crap and criticism. He is an intelligent guy with all the talent to be successful. On the exterior he seems confident but I think his confidence has some chinks. Forget the negativity. Just go out and play instinctively. Like Murray said, sometimes you just need to go out there and sling it.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 1:51 pm to Goforit
Bingo
I played QB and I had that huge fault of worrying more about making a mistake that cost the team. You can't play your best if that is your nature.
Sure you have to be smart with the ball,
You can have the talent but if you will not let it go, then nobody is going to benefit and that is just as big a mistake.
I played QB and I had that huge fault of worrying more about making a mistake that cost the team. You can't play your best if that is your nature.
Sure you have to be smart with the ball,
You can have the talent but if you will not let it go, then nobody is going to benefit and that is just as big a mistake.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 2:06 pm to Goforit
A famous coach* once said, "Three things can happen when you throw a pass, and two of them are bad."
I think Saban drilled this mantra into the mindset of Alabama QBs over the years. AJ McCarron was probably the first to mesh this belief successfully with a gunslinger mentality, and that didn't happen until later in his career here.
Milroe seems to operate this way. If he's gonna pass, he's gonna do everything he can to make sure his guy is wide open before he throws it to reduce the chance of a turnover. Combine that with a perceived lack of ability to read a defense pre- or post-snap, and it makes him unsure and hesitant if his first or second read isn't there.
The other issue is his willingness to chuck it deep, even if his receiver isn't open (or sometimes even double-covered). Simply put, he isn't always great at taking what the defense is giving, and he's slow to recognize what they ARE giving.
On the flip side, in each game he has completed a pass while scrambling out of the pocket, and both passes have gone for touchdowns. This tells me his situational awareness has gotten a lot better this year vs. last year.
*It's been attributed to Darrell Royal, Woody Hayes, General Neyland, and Bear Bryant, so I dunno who actually said it.
I think Saban drilled this mantra into the mindset of Alabama QBs over the years. AJ McCarron was probably the first to mesh this belief successfully with a gunslinger mentality, and that didn't happen until later in his career here.
Milroe seems to operate this way. If he's gonna pass, he's gonna do everything he can to make sure his guy is wide open before he throws it to reduce the chance of a turnover. Combine that with a perceived lack of ability to read a defense pre- or post-snap, and it makes him unsure and hesitant if his first or second read isn't there.
The other issue is his willingness to chuck it deep, even if his receiver isn't open (or sometimes even double-covered). Simply put, he isn't always great at taking what the defense is giving, and he's slow to recognize what they ARE giving.
On the flip side, in each game he has completed a pass while scrambling out of the pocket, and both passes have gone for touchdowns. This tells me his situational awareness has gotten a lot better this year vs. last year.
*It's been attributed to Darrell Royal, Woody Hayes, General Neyland, and Bear Bryant, so I dunno who actually said it.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 3:17 pm to YStar
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He has doubts they will get to a spot so he doesn't throw to spots. He throws when he sees the WR get open.
He doesn’t throw to spots because he can’t. He’s athletic as hell, he can run like a deer, and he can throw a great deep ball. Precision passing? Not so much
Posted on 9/9/24 at 3:39 pm to UltimaParadox
Murray also doesn't think Thorne played that poorly. Take what he says with a huge grain of salt. He always sides with the QB.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 3:49 pm to CrimsonBoz
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End of the day we had issues at many position groups. We are very talented, we scored 3 in like 5 mins. It’s there.
This game was proof that no matter how much talent you have, if you have 13 penalties (with the majority being block/hold calls with huge yard walk-offs) and 3 turnovers (1 in the redzone, 1 on an explosive kick return, 1 on the our side of the 50) then you can be in danger of losing to anyone.
That is why I took up for Milroe on Saturday and Sunday. You can't succeed at quarterback in these conditions. Of course, his fumble in the red zone and 1 or 2 bad sacks where he was trying too hard to keep the play alive means he isn't blameless. However, he was catching some undeserved stray bullets from fans on here. There is no amount of pocket awareness or poise that is going to get around some of the jailbreaks he was dealing with on Saturday. He was largely big reason Alabama had a 21-16 lead before Pritchett came in and they closed the game out with a scoring avalanche late.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 5:58 pm to jchamil
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He doesn’t throw to spots because he can’t. He’s athletic as hell, he can run like a deer, and he can throw a great deep ball. Precision passing? Not so much
The entire idea of throwing to a spot/area is you aren't using precision. You're throwing to an area and trusting your WR to make a play on the ball in the area.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 7:14 pm to Glorious
Louder.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 4:14 am to Carlton
I once posted about attending a game in about 1950, including meeting Johnny Mack Brown in a barber shop before the game. Someone responded because he enjoyed the history. I drove from Tuscaloosa to Auburn in 1961 to watch the freshman game. I went with a friend who's brother was playing for Auburn. During warm ups and the game our quarterback got my attention because of the way he threw the football. Turned out it was Joe Namath. I have never had that same feeling watching Milroe throw the football. Joe Namath was ahead of his time. He was also a master at reading and beating blitzes. I do think Milroe is improving some what and wish him the best going forward.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 4:37 am to Firegolding
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I’ve switched up my thinking from Milroe is the clear cut #1 to Simpson deserves multiple drives in the first half vs wisky to show what he’s got.
Absolutely not.
Playing a P4 opponent on the road is not where you start experimenting with a two QB system, even if it's just to see what QB2 has to offer.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:14 am to YStar
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The entire idea of throwing to a spot/area is you aren't using precision. You're throwing to an area and trusting your WR to make a play on the ball in the area.
Now you’re just making stuff up to justify your narrative. A qb throwing to a spot where he is anticipating the WR to be is the ultimate form of precision.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 8:19 am to Ten Bears
I always thought precision passing was placement. Putting it back shoulder, leading receivers, throwing low to avoid the receiver getting hit, putting the ball over a linebacker but underneath a safety. Guess it could be both 
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:03 pm to YStar
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They want him to fail so badly.
It actually does feel like it.
I don’t care who is QB, I just want Bama to win. I want NO ONE to fail.
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