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Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:41 pm to Carlton
Posted on 6/28/19 at 5:41 pm to Carlton
Bama puts more dudes in the NFL than anyone, but Saban has never "protected" his players to help them have "more tread" on their tires going into the pros. Saban drives some of us nuts by putting star WR's and DB's as punt and kick returners and playing our stars on kick-off coverage. Hell, he gave Derrick Henry the ball about 40 times a game his last season, won a natty and Henry won the Heisman. Point is Saban, Kirby and the whole lot will do what it takes to win. Period. The rest tends to take care of itself as far as talented kids getting to the NFL.
I just don't like that alot of parents seem to be talking to the media these days. Jalen's dad (and brother) made complete asses of themselves last year. Thankfully, Jalen was more mature than his whole family put together. You have Field's dad over at UGA apparently causing all sorts of problems over in Athens according to some of their insiders. Parents job is to sit in the stands and cheer for their kid, not try to manipulate coaches. These are not elementary boys, they are 18-22 year old men. Let them speak for themselves...no helicopter parents needed.
I just don't like that alot of parents seem to be talking to the media these days. Jalen's dad (and brother) made complete asses of themselves last year. Thankfully, Jalen was more mature than his whole family put together. You have Field's dad over at UGA apparently causing all sorts of problems over in Athens according to some of their insiders. Parents job is to sit in the stands and cheer for their kid, not try to manipulate coaches. These are not elementary boys, they are 18-22 year old men. Let them speak for themselves...no helicopter parents needed.
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:04 pm to tider04
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Saban drives some of us nuts by putting star WR's and DB's as punt and kick returners and playing our stars on kick-off coverage.
I am not in this group. I say play the absolute best player at each position for each and every single snap, and special teams snaps can affect a game even moreso that traditional snaps, as they are frequently open field plays, and it's then that a team can get its utmost advantage.
I not only think, but know, that it's of the highest priority to play the best players on special teams, and not doing so is purposefully throwing away perhaps your single best advantage with a talented roster. If you don't, you're lowering your talent level to the other teams level for 10-20 open-field plays in the game, which is asinine.
What did Frank Beamer say into the microphone upon Alabama dominating VT on Special Teams a few years back? "Don't play walk-ons on special teams."
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:08 pm to prevatt33
Anyone remember Derrick Henry playing on the punt team in 15.
Saban wisely removed him from it midway through the season that year.
Saban wisely removed him from it midway through the season that year.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:14 pm to remaster916
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Anyone remember Derrick Henry playing on the punt team in 15.
Saban wisely removed him from it midway through the season that year.
For the record, I'm only saying to play the best player at each position. Just because Henry was our best RB doesn't mean he's the best at whatever responsibility he had on punt team. But when Julio Jones was returning punts, you can bet it was damn well the best decision. Punt returns can change a game like turnovers can. Put the best guy bck there, period. Obviously if the #2 guy is close to as good, then maybe choose him. But if the star gives you a significant advantage, it's stupid not to play him.
Did Henry give us an advantage on punt team? I doubt it.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:16 pm to tider04
Again I just think you are overreacting to a Dad who is saying he wants his kid to be in a situation to be in a strong backfield where he can split carries in college so that over his career he takes less of a pounding and has a better chance in the NFL if he gets that far. If you see that as wanting to "protect" his son and not wanting to take the ball and do what it takes to win in college that is fine, I really don't see him saying that.
Putting less pounding on the players is good for both the player and the team because they are fresher later in games and in the season. We have done this most seasons except for the one you mentioned with Henry because we had no other options. Even that was overblown because Derrick in his entire career had 5 games of more than 30 carries and 10 of more than 20.
If you are hung up on his Dad being concerned about his son's professional career that is fine, I don't think most would find that as an issue or that is something that makes him a bad parent or a helicopter parent. My kids are in preschool and I worry about their careers. Milton is not 18 and there is a large recruiting media industry trying to talk to him and his parents. Parents aren't perfect and they don't say things perfectly everytime, few people do. But most of them love their kids and are trying to do what is best for them. I think you can cut them some slack. It is amazing to me how we go after these players and parents integrity over 1 or 2 sentences in an article.
Putting less pounding on the players is good for both the player and the team because they are fresher later in games and in the season. We have done this most seasons except for the one you mentioned with Henry because we had no other options. Even that was overblown because Derrick in his entire career had 5 games of more than 30 carries and 10 of more than 20.
If you are hung up on his Dad being concerned about his son's professional career that is fine, I don't think most would find that as an issue or that is something that makes him a bad parent or a helicopter parent. My kids are in preschool and I worry about their careers. Milton is not 18 and there is a large recruiting media industry trying to talk to him and his parents. Parents aren't perfect and they don't say things perfectly everytime, few people do. But most of them love their kids and are trying to do what is best for them. I think you can cut them some slack. It is amazing to me how we go after these players and parents integrity over 1 or 2 sentences in an article.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 6/28/19 at 6:54 pm to tider04
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but Saban has never "protected" his players to help them have "more tread" on their tires going into the pros.
Yes he has. It's one of his recruiting selling points and why we always recruit multiple backs.
Saban doesn't lie to players and this picture you paint of him is false and the crap others use to negative recruit us.
He actually cares about these kids, even if you don't and just see them as useful until disposable.
Seriously dude you don't know what you're talking about. Just stop.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:44 pm to YStar
I never said Saban doesn't care about his players. Clearly he does. They have lots of fun and they all come back to hang out, call him, etc. But it's also clear when he has a dominant player, he doesn't mind putting the game in their hands (Amari Cooper, Derrick Henry, among others.) Real competitors want that. If I'm the man, I want the ball in my hands. All the great ones do. Can you imagine Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice or Adrian Peterson in his prime asking the coach to limit their touches so they could "keep more tread on the tires"? Those dudes wanted the rock, they got it, and they were dominant.
I'm just afraid that this generation of parents seem to be the coddling type, and the end result is softer players, who want more results with less work, want to transfer if they don't win the Heisman their freshman year, sit out bowl games while their less talented brothers bleed on the field, hit the transfer portal if they don't start day 1, etc. It's just not a healthy culture shift I see from some high profile parents IMO. Parents need to trust Saban, and players need to trust the process. If you play in college to preserve yourself for the pros, you hurt yourself and the team. Saban alluded to this being a problem on our last team--guys starting to focus on the NFL instead of helping their team win the natty. The result? Clemson whipping their asses. Win 1st, the money will come if you're focused on the right things.
I'm just afraid that this generation of parents seem to be the coddling type, and the end result is softer players, who want more results with less work, want to transfer if they don't win the Heisman their freshman year, sit out bowl games while their less talented brothers bleed on the field, hit the transfer portal if they don't start day 1, etc. It's just not a healthy culture shift I see from some high profile parents IMO. Parents need to trust Saban, and players need to trust the process. If you play in college to preserve yourself for the pros, you hurt yourself and the team. Saban alluded to this being a problem on our last team--guys starting to focus on the NFL instead of helping their team win the natty. The result? Clemson whipping their asses. Win 1st, the money will come if you're focused on the right things.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 5:48 am to tider04
Y'all do understand that there's a really big difference between wanting to go to a college program where you can split carries and preserve your body and playing to avoid injury right? It's a pretty big jump to take Milton's dad's comments and turn them into a parent coddling his child. His perspective on the way RBs are used in modern football is very insightful and actually pretty refreshing compared to the usual nonsense you hear from the parents of some of these guys who insist that their baby boys be stars from day 1.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 7:16 am to RiverCityTider
You are no one.. literally nobody to give this kid or his father any advice.
We know your track record though; only here to cause trouble and look for some strawman point to argue.
We know your track record though; only here to cause trouble and look for some strawman point to argue.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 7:19 am
Posted on 6/29/19 at 7:22 am to RiverCityTider
It was one interview. You have no idea what was asked and what responses were used and not used.
What he said is not arrogant or entitled. It is not suprising that the father of a highly rated running back thinks his son will get carries at some point during his college career. He didn't say my son must start as a freshman and they better not run him down. That would be entitled.
I feel like you guys are really trying to make something out of nothing here. This guy who seems like a normal dad has been turned into a coddling, entitled, helicopter parent over a few words in an article. I am amazed what some people can draw from one or two sentences said at one moment in time filtered through the writer of a media outlet over something truly not that serious.
What he said is not arrogant or entitled. It is not suprising that the father of a highly rated running back thinks his son will get carries at some point during his college career. He didn't say my son must start as a freshman and they better not run him down. That would be entitled.
I feel like you guys are really trying to make something out of nothing here. This guy who seems like a normal dad has been turned into a coddling, entitled, helicopter parent over a few words in an article. I am amazed what some people can draw from one or two sentences said at one moment in time filtered through the writer of a media outlet over something truly not that serious.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 7:23 am
Posted on 6/29/19 at 9:02 am to YStar
Posted on 6/29/19 at 9:32 am to TidalSurge1
seems to me the dad is stating exactly what saban has done 90% of the time since coming to bama. btw, did his dad mention anything about pass blocking, just curious. afterall, we just had a senior starter that whiffed on pass blocking regularly.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 9:42 am to crimsontater
In that same article his father commends our RB coach and Saban for taking care of their RBs and sharing his though process.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 11:32 am to YStar
Way to Early Mock Class (27)
(Commits: bold | Early signees ^ / enrollees *)
Quarterbacks (1)
4* DB/QB/WR Kristian Story 6-1/206 AL hudl
Running Backs (2)
4* RB LINK ]Roydell Williams 5-10/202 AL hudl
5* RB Zachary Evans 5-11/200 TX hudl
Wide Receivers (4)
4* WR LINK ]Thaiu Jones-Bell 5-11/187 FL hudl
4* WR LINK ]Javon Baker 6-0/180 GA hudl
4* WR LINK ]Traeshon Holden 6-3/195 CA hudl *
4* WR Arian Smith 6-1/170 FL hudl
Tight Ends (2)
5* ATH Darnell Washington 6-7.5/248 NV hudl
4* ATH Reggie Grimes 6-4.5/240 TN hudl
Offensive Line (3)
3* OC LINK ]Seth McLaughlin 6-4/270 GA hudl
3* OG LINK ]Xavier Hill 6-3/325 MS hudl
3* OT LINK ]Damieon George 6-6.5/348 TX hudl
Defensive Line (3)
4* DL Jaquelin Roy 6-3.5/289 LA hudl
4* DT Jacobian Guillory 6-2/331 LA hudl *
5* DE Jordan Burch 6-5/250 SC hudl
or 4* DE Myles Murphy 6-4/280 NC film
Linebackers (7)
4* ILB LINK ]Demouy Kennedy 6-2/204 AL hudl *
4* ILB LINK ]Jackson Bratton 6-3/225 AL hudl
4* ILB Jordan Banks 6-1/228 CA hudl
5* OLB LINK ]Chris Braswell 6-3/220 MD hudl
5* OLB/TE LINK ]Drew Sanders 6-5/222 TX hudl
4* OLB LINK ]Quan' Robinson 6-4.5/217 AL hudl
4* OLB LINK ]Will Anderson 6-3/233 GA hudl
Defensive Backs (5)
4* S/CB LINK ]Brian Branch 6-0/182 GA hudl
4* CB/S LINK ]Malachi Moore 6-0/180 AL hudl
4* CB LINK ]Jahquez Robinson 6-1.5/185 FL hudl *
4* DB/WR Joel Williams 6-1.5/180 LA hudl
4* CB Nadab Joseph 6-2/180 Juco hudl
Specialists (0)
(Commits: bold | Early signees ^ / enrollees *)
Quarterbacks (1)
4* DB/QB/WR Kristian Story 6-1/206 AL hudl
Running Backs (2)
4* RB LINK ]Roydell Williams 5-10/202 AL hudl
5* RB Zachary Evans 5-11/200 TX hudl
Wide Receivers (4)
4* WR LINK ]Thaiu Jones-Bell 5-11/187 FL hudl
4* WR LINK ]Javon Baker 6-0/180 GA hudl
4* WR LINK ]Traeshon Holden 6-3/195 CA hudl *
4* WR Arian Smith 6-1/170 FL hudl
Tight Ends (2)
5* ATH Darnell Washington 6-7.5/248 NV hudl
4* ATH Reggie Grimes 6-4.5/240 TN hudl
Offensive Line (3)
3* OC LINK ]Seth McLaughlin 6-4/270 GA hudl
3* OG LINK ]Xavier Hill 6-3/325 MS hudl
3* OT LINK ]Damieon George 6-6.5/348 TX hudl
Defensive Line (3)
4* DL Jaquelin Roy 6-3.5/289 LA hudl
4* DT Jacobian Guillory 6-2/331 LA hudl *
5* DE Jordan Burch 6-5/250 SC hudl
or 4* DE Myles Murphy 6-4/280 NC film
Linebackers (7)
4* ILB LINK ]Demouy Kennedy 6-2/204 AL hudl *
4* ILB LINK ]Jackson Bratton 6-3/225 AL hudl
4* ILB Jordan Banks 6-1/228 CA hudl
5* OLB LINK ]Chris Braswell 6-3/220 MD hudl
5* OLB/TE LINK ]Drew Sanders 6-5/222 TX hudl
4* OLB LINK ]Quan' Robinson 6-4.5/217 AL hudl
4* OLB LINK ]Will Anderson 6-3/233 GA hudl
Defensive Backs (5)
4* S/CB LINK ]Brian Branch 6-0/182 GA hudl
4* CB/S LINK ]Malachi Moore 6-0/180 AL hudl
4* CB LINK ]Jahquez Robinson 6-1.5/185 FL hudl *
4* DB/WR Joel Williams 6-1.5/180 LA hudl
4* CB Nadab Joseph 6-2/180 Juco hudl
Specialists (0)
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:06 pm to TidalSurge1
No Grimes in the class??
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:10 pm to Bear88
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No Grimes in the class??
He's listed in the TE position group.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:13 pm to TidalSurge1
If you add Henderson the wr out of Fla to this class and get one of the TE targets I think we knock it out the park.
I see were story is listed as an athlete and could very well fill out the WR slots.
But Henderson in this wr class would then makw me field we matched the triplet class of Judey, Smith and Ruggs.
I see were story is listed as an athlete and could very well fill out the WR slots.
But Henderson in this wr class would then makw me field we matched the triplet class of Judey, Smith and Ruggs.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/29/19 at 12:16 pm to TidalSurge1
Damn. Little hung over. Didn’t see it
Posted on 6/29/19 at 1:20 pm to TidalSurge1
Is Jayson Jones expected to look elsewhere?
Posted on 6/29/19 at 1:21 pm to AjA77
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If you add Henderson the wr out of Fla to this class and get one of the TE targets I think we knock it out the park.
I see were story is listed as an athlete and could very well fill out the WR slots.
But Henderson in this wr class would then makw me field we matched the triplet class of Jeudy, Smith and Ruggs.
If Bama lands Washington and Henderson, I don't think Grimes would get a spot. According to BOL mods and insider posters, Grimes doesn't have a green light to commit yet. Bama has landed four better OLBs. Tbh, he's pretty raw and not very tenacious on defense and he doesn't want to bulk up into an SDE. That coupled with the speed and atleticism he has for his size make him better suited for TE, imo. Grimes needs to show some improvement this season or his stock may continue to drop. Assuming Latu and Billingsley will be good TEs, and with numbers so tight I do think Bama might only take 1 TE if they land Washington. Also, I think Drew Sanders will probably play OLB, but he's also an excellent TE.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 1:45 pm
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