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re: 2017-18 Alabama Basketball Season Thread: 20-16 (10-11)

Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:20 pm to
Lol. Avery might be the worst coach in the SEC right now. If you'd take him over Howland, I'll have what you're smoking.
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:21 pm to
Also the young team excuse no longer applies. They've had a full season plus the Canada trip. Youth is no longer an excuse.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:30 pm to
Yea, there aren't any excuses for the product we have been getting. It's embarrassing
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
5101 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:41 pm to
That's the thing... People don't understand how hard it is to mesh personality on the court. Look at Wade, he left Miami to go to Chicago, and he struggled in Chicago. Then he went to Cavs. he struggled there... despite the talent on the team. It is not easy to figure out your game with Alpha player like Sexton. I'm not blaming it on just on coaches, but players has to do their part and figure out their true identity.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:43 pm to
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That's the thing... People don't understand how hard it is to mesh personality on the court. Look at Wade, he left Miami to go to Chicago, and he struggled in Chicago. Then he went to Cavs. he struggled there... despite the talent on the team. It is not easy to figure out your game with Alpha player like Sexton. I'm not blaming it on just on coaches, but players has to do their part and figure out their true identity.


I just don't give a shite at this point, honestly. Aliens could have invaded their bodies for all I care.

The effort of the last 3 games is unacceptable at any time of year, led alone the most important 3 game stretch of the season. The reasoning really doesn't matter. The results and the play on the floor do, and they are absolutely pathetic.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49884 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:44 pm to
You can't compare college kids to professional athletes. Regardless of what's going on in the locker room, it's the coaches job to handle it and to get them to play hard. Avery doesn't know how to do that.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
31083 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:47 pm to
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"I just got a sense, as I told Avery this morning, that he just wasn't reaching them anymore," general manager Billy King said at a news conference Thursday afternoon, adding that ownership had final say in the decision.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6044 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:48 pm to
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Lol. Avery might be the worst coach in the SEC right now. If you'd take him over Howland, I'll have what you're smoking.


Lol. Are they both not in their 3rd year? Did they both not just get bitch-slapped in their own gym? One coach's team is at least being mentioned in tournament brackets and one isn't. That same coach has a much younger, but more talented team with a brighter future. Wanting Howland over Avery at this point is just being completely irrational.
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
7042 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:49 pm to
What hurts the most about all this?


The dominant form we've seen flashes of, this team could have waltzed to tourney with any consistensy. It would be one thing if this team was hapless from the start, but there's a good team here struggling to emerge.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
31083 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:54 pm to
Bruce Pearl was terrible through year three. Wednesday in the SEC tournament, under .500 in the SEC every year and no where near the bubble.

That’s not to say Grant left us as bad off as Barbee left them but it does take time, even with top recruits. As bad as the last four games have been, the early successes have this team with a chance. Win Saturday and who knows.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
41744 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:09 pm to
This is what worried me about hiring Avery. This is the same coach who blew a 2-0 lead against Miami in the finals and got swept in the next four. He then follows that up by having the most successful regular season ever in the NBA and then gets swept in four in the first round by Golden State. I mean like how does that happen?
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
822 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:18 pm to
Are you comparing Alabama to Mississippi State as if they are comparable jobs? Howland doesn't have anywhere near the talent Avery has and inherited a complete dumpster fire from Rick Ray. It's delusional to think that Avery Johnson has done anywhere close to a good job this year.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:21 pm to
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Howland doesn't have anywhere near the talent Avery has


That's not exactly true. Howland has a whole lot of talent on that roster.
Posted by train1523
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2011
296 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:22 pm to
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Howland doesn't have anywhere near the talent Avery has and inherited a complete dumpster fire from Rick Ray. It's delusional to think that Avery Johnson has done anywhere close to a good job this year.


Exactly. Howland inherited a glorified intramural team and Avery inherited a .500/NIT level team. Yes, MSU has played a much easier schedule than us this year, but there is no doubt Howland has done a better job coaching as well.

I do think the talent between the two teams is pretty close this year. We're more talented, but not extremely more talented.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22601 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:24 pm to
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Bruce Pearl was terrible through year three. Wednesday in the SEC tournament, under .500 in the SEC every year and no where near the bubble.



But he had a history of success at other stops in college basketball. He also made some noise in the SECT his first year at Auburn. Pearl had credibility when it came to his ability to coach a college team. (I'm not including about his off the court issues).

If Pearl failed at Auburn, I think it would've been an indictment on Auburn basketball instead of Pearl's coaching ability.

When we hired Avery, we hired a guy who had no experience recruiting or managing a college program. There were going to be some growing pains. Which is fine but that doesn't excuse him for not making progress by Year 3.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:24 pm to
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Howland inherited a glorified intramural team and Avery inherited a .500/NIT level team


Avery didn't inherit a Howland level mess, but he inherited a terrible basketball roster. Avery has massive issues, but lets not rewrite history. He did a great job with his 1st team. GREAT. He did a decent job last year. He's been awful this year.

Howland has a team full of 3 Top 10-20 level recruiting classes. He has a 2-deep of 4/5 stars. They have been basically the same as us this season.

And, Howland's first few years they sucked. Now, he was handed a mess, but they were terrible. So I don't really know how Howland has earned some sort of large scale praise for his work in Starkville.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
3431 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:26 pm to
Yeah, as a Miami fan that NBA Championship loss can't really be pointed at him. Wade balled the frick out and scored 42, 36, 43, 36 in the final four games. He took 97 free throws in the series. He averaged 19 free throws a game through the final four.

There's a reason Cuban was spouting off to anyone he could find about suing over a ref conspiracy. The fouls were controversial as all hell and Riley used that to his advantage.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:28 pm
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
822 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:27 pm to
No lottery picks or probably even players that will get drafted.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:29 pm to
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No lottery picks or probably even players that will get drafted.


Well that isn't true. Both Weatherspoon brothers are in most 2019 mock drafts. Nick is a borderline lottery pick. Lamar Peters is on quite a few draft boards.

This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
5101 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:30 pm to
yes you can.... I can tell you never played the game.
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