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Will we do anything different on defense?

Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:51 am
Posted by wdhalgren
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 11:51 am
As far as I can tell, Kirby/Lanning don't change their defensive strategy very much from week to week. LSU has a different offense from what we've faced this year, with multiple alignments for their receivers/TE's and backs. Every game I've watched, opposing defenders get confused or knocked off their coverage (some of which looks like OPI to me) and the result is lots of open receivers.

Plus, when all the DB's get moved around trying to cover multiple targets, it leaves a lot of open field for Burrow to run. I know this is something Kirby has schemed for, but I wonder how much different we'll look. Will we use one ILB and 5 DB's most of the game? Will Tyrique get more playing time than normal?
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:04 pm to
Will we need to?
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:05 pm to
Defense always plays to the offense.

The goal is to make them play left handed.

If LSU wants slants and digs, we will defend against those and try to force Burrow to throw to the sidelines.

Will the defense be different?
Yes. I expect our nickel and linebackers to work to take away the interior throws.

Why is that different? Because most opponents dont try to work that part of the field as much as LSU does.

I dont expect Richard Lecounte to be playing man defense against a slot receiver while Lecounte is 15 yards off the line of scrimmage. A slant would eat that coverage alive.

Is our approach to the game different?
No. We will try to take away what makes LSU comfortable and force them to beat us with uncomfortable.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted by FlexDawg
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:07 pm to
I was wondering if we’d try to employ that 3-1-7 defense Auburn used vs LSU.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Will we use one ILB and 5 DB's most of the game? Will Tyrique get more playing time than normal?


I have no insider knowledge.

I guess that we play mostly nickel against 11 personnel and dime against 10. We may mix it up a bit, but we dont want to get caught in a hurry up where we cant get to our "normal". Our linebackers are better than the average ILB in coverage. And we want to keep LSU long on the chains pertaining to their RB game.

I think we will rotate the nickel spot with Webb and Stevenson (and Wilson if someone gets dinged for a play or two).

Tyreke's job will be to play physical with tight ends and larger receivers. And I also think we like him rushing off the edge (both as a 4th and 5th rusher).
Posted by immobileman
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:14 pm to
Would our scheme be similar to how we defended against the Sooners?
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

Will Tyrique get more playing time than normal?


I dont know the LSU personnel well enough to say yes.

But I know that we trust him on large physical targets.
We trust him setting the edge and rushing the passer.
We trust him dropping back to deep middle for more exotic playcalls (cover 3 man under).

If the LSU WR group is more physical than speedy, I expect more Stevenson on the field.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:17 pm to
I hope we park a spy to disrupt passing lanes in the middle of the field and keep Burrow contained.
Posted by wdhalgren
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:26 pm to
Not saying you're wrong because we may do that, but I'm not a big fan of the "spy" technique. It seems like more often than not the spy is a wasted defender who doesn't make the play even if the QB scrambles or runs. With LSU using 4 or 5 receivers (including the RB out of the back field), I'm not sure we can afford to take a guy away from coverage or pass rush.

I'd rather see the pass rush avoid running past Burrow and limit his running that way. If rushers get behind him, he moves forward really well to either throw or run.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:29 pm to
His legs definitely present quite a conundrum. He killed us with his legs last season. He killed Auburn with his legs this season. He picks up so many critical 3rd down conversions with his legs that he HAS to be contained.

I'm just not sure we trust the DL to keep him in front of them while still effectively applying pressure.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

With LSU using 4 or 5 receivers (including the RB out of the back field), I'm not sure we can afford to take a guy away from coverage or pass rush.


If we rush 4, that leaves 7 to cover 5 targets. A spy brings that 6 to cover 5 targets and puts forces interior throws to get up and down on time over the defender (not easy on intermediate targets).

quote:

rather see the pass rush avoid running past Burrow and limit his running that way. If rushers get behind him, he moves forward really well to either throw or run.


A spy would eat him up if he climbs forward in the pocket. It is exactly what we would want. Plus, the spy usually has the freedom for a free run at the QB anytime he has an alley.

Lastly, I think we had a great gameplan against Tua. We forced him to flush right (left handed QB). With the spy knowing the playcall, he can get a head start on that alley when the play is designed to flush the QB.
Posted by wdhalgren
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

His legs definitely present quite a conundrum.


He really does. After watching their games, Burrow moves in the pocket about as well as any QB I've seen. If a blitzer comes barrelling in at full speed, he has an uncanny ability to sidestep, scramble and either run or make a great throw. Defenses have to tackle him as soundly as a RB in the open field.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Lastly, I think we had a great gameplan against Tua. We forced him to flush right (left handed QB). With the spy knowing the playcall, he can get a head start on that alley when the play is designed to flush the QB.



Great point and wouldn't be at all surprised to see a similar approach. Tua looked awful.
Posted by Hobnailboot
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

3-1-7 defense Auburn used vs LSU.


Yep I fully expect to rush 3 and blitz very seldomly. Stevenson will be in the Dime. Dean and Rice the primary LBs. Nolan Smith will play as much as he ever had.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

Dean and Rice the primary LBs


I dont know that we want dean as the spy. He doesn't have the experience at the position (bo nix faked him out a few times for key scrambles). We might rely on someone with more experience.

That said, I do think Dean has done well in coverage. And that might get him more reps than previous games (my guess is still no. But it wouldnt shock me).
Posted by Hobnailboot
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 1:30 pm to
We going straight speed tomorrow. And Jordan Davis.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

straight speed


Crowder is faster than Rice.

But Rice is more important to the defense.

We will rotate lots. But of the 3 ILBs, Dean would get the fewest reps. It also wouldnt surprise me if we see Quay Walker or Adam Anderson as much as we see Dean if we are looking for a spy.
Posted by wdhalgren
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

Stevenson will be in the Dime.


I wish we'd use him in the nickel too. Mark Webb is a big liability in pass coverage IMO. I don't know who else we could use, but any safety or corner on the roster has to be better in coverage than Webb.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 3:15 pm to
Kind of a trick question because they constantly sub and adjust throughout every game depending on offense behavior. So my answer is no, we won't do anything differently, we'll do what we always do and keep changing it up throughout the game as conditions warrant.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 3:37 pm to
No need to over complicated, our fellows in the interior need to collapse the pocket and contain burrow and make it count.

The secondary needs to mug their WRs until we see how the refs call it.
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