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Why is Kirby so resistant to change?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:48 pm
His ultra conservative approach to everything is severely limiting our potential. What's going through his mind when he looks around the league and sees other coaches and teams adapting and evolving while he literally does the same thing over and over again expecting different results? Before Tua, Saban had the exact same style. But give him credit for actually adapting.
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:00 pm to ChristianPayne
Right now we don't have the receivers to run a wide open passing offense. Smart wouldn't go air raid even if we did, but the offense would be better if we had Saban's receiving corps. Or even last year's experienced UGA receiving corps. As for Kirby and Coley, we'll see how it plays out between now and January.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:11 pm to wdhalgren
remnants of the butts-dooley era?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:28 pm to ChristianPayne
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His ultra conservative approach to everything is severely limiting our potential.
I'm not sure I see what you see.
I see people complain when plays dont work. They define that as conservative. But when the same play hits an explosive play, that is some goddamn creative genius calling plays.
We have been playing with receivers who run poor routes. Do you really want "more aggressive"? Or do you just want plays to work?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:49 pm to meansonny
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We have been playing with receivers who run poor routes. Do you really want "more aggressive"?
Losing Hardman, Ridley and Holloman hurt for sure. But Alabama reloads every year. I thought our recruiting was supposed to be at the Alabama level for the last few years. If so, how come the next guys up run poor routes or can't beat man coverage? Especially if it's not just the true freshmen (Blaylock and Pickens) but also guys who have been in the system (Kearis Jackson, Robertson, etc.)?
One could also argue that the conservative play calling isn't just in the passing game but in the approach to the run. As others have asked, do we have nothing better than dives up the gut?
Surely a team with the best offensive line in the country would be capable of a less vanilla offense.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:49 pm to ChristianPayne
If our OL was allowed to hold, and we were allowed a 6th eligible receiver downfield, and our defense was allowed to target without flags, I think we'd look alot better.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:54 pm to meansonny
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I'm not sure I see what you see.
What I appreciate is we’ve got this to beat a dead horse with now instead of the usual Justin Fields is better than Jake Fromm argument that lasts close to 10 pages.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:56 pm to Lucius Clay
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how come the next guys up run poor routes or can't beat man coverage?
The next guys are upperclassmen. Landers and Tyler simmons. A couple of three stars.
If you are asking about Robertson, he is playing through a hamstring injury which will probably last at least through the regular season. Cager has been playing with a bum shoulder for a month (or not playing with bad ribs). Pickens and Blaylock are true freshmen.
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As others have asked, do we have nothing better than dives up the gut
If you've watched a lot of football, the question isnt about the inside runs. It is why do the inside runs not bounce outside? 2018: Holyfield and Swift terrorized teams on inside runs that bounced outside. I've rarely seen it from Swift. And almost never from Herrien, White, and Cook.
For some reason, we arent seeing the creases that we have taken advantage of in 2017 and 2018. I see missed opportunities several times a game.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:59 pm to Lucius Clay
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Surely a team with the best offensive line in the country would be capable of a less vanilla offense.
That brings up another point. The OL doesn't have their timing down. They are releasing their man too soon to get up to the second level. Or they whiff on the second level.
If we get the timing down on the OL, a lot of these runs will bounce to the third level.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:03 pm to meansonny
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For some reason, we arent seeing the creases that we have taken advantage of in 2017 and 2018. I see missed opportunities several times a game.
On the other side of that, we have skewed memories of the past, like Chubb and Michel scored TD's on every carry, when in fact most carries were for little gain. It's a romantic memory. It's not real.
On that same road, you see highlight videos of other games, Tua, Hurts, Fields, and you only see the badass passes they make. Unless you watched the whole 4 hour game(s), you don't get to see their overthrows, underthrows, sacks, interceptions.
So a feeble minded gimp would think Georgia is just a hopeless pile of garbage and it's all Kirby's fault.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:12 pm to meansonny
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Pickens and Blaylock are true freshmen.
Pickens and Blaylock were elite level recruits. Even with other guys aside (Kearis Jackson was 4-star; Robertson a 5-star and there's nothing to indicate he isn't healthy now), the "true freshman" label shouldn't have as much effect on guys at their skill level at the WR position. AJ Green had 56 catches as a true freshmen.
I'm not really buying the argument that our problems are due to a lack of talent or experience at WR. Something else seems to be going on this year. Maybe it's Coley.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:13 pm to meansonny
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That brings up another point. The OL doesn't have their timing down. They are releasing their man too soon to get up to the second level.
A wise man once told me it's a numbers game. When you have 5 guys trying to block 7 tacklers, it's usually bad. Then you throw. But then receiver not catch ball.
Then gimp fan say "run hurry up!"
Then defense fake injury to stop you.
Then gimp fan say "run spread!"
Then defense blitz to kill play before it develops.
Then gimp fan say "run down their throats with our OL"
Then defense stack box.
Then gimp fan say "utilize tight end!"
Then tight end drop ball.
Then gimp fan say "go for it on 4th!"
Then not convert.
Then gimp fan say "You have best kicker in country, why not take points?"
Then next time on 4th, UGA kicks 3.
Then gimp fan says "Why we so conservative?!?"
Then we run a trick play, maybe works, maybe doesn't work.
Then gimp fan says "Is this what we're reduced to? If only we had Fields or Eason."
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:16 pm to Lucius Clay
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I'm not really buying the argument that our problems are due to a lack of talent or experience at WR.
It's not a lack of talent, I agree, but when it is two true freshmen you can't say there isn't a lack of experience. And experience absolutely matters. Do you agree or disagree?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:23 pm to deeprig9
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Georgia is just a hopeless pile of garbage and it's all Kirby's fault
The buck stops with the guy making $$$millions. The product put on the field against South Carolina didn't perform like anything we would expect from a team that signs top 3 level classes, playing at home against a next-tier down SEC team with a 2-3 record.
Win out the rest of the season and we can all scratch our heads about the strange anomaly of the SC game.
But another regular season loss or two this year will raise questions about why a program recruiting like Alabama and Clemson isn't quite on that level when it comes to performance.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:23 pm to deeprig9
We've also had a lot of shuffling on the offensive line this year due to some injuries. I believe this contributes to some of the OL problems
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:24 pm to ChristianPayne
Too much football left to be played to make any proclamation right now.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:25 pm to deeprig9
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On the other side of that, we have skewed memories of the past, like Chubb and Michel scored TD's on every carry, when in fact most carries were for little gain. It's a romantic memory. It's not real.
You are right. But a lot of the great Chubb/Sony runs were in the B gap and they bounced outside (or B gap and the tackle destroys the end so it is off tackle). It isnt like we were running a bunch of toss sweeps.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:28 pm to Dawgman77
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We've also had a lot of shuffling on the offensive line this year due to some injuries. I believe this contributes to some of the OL problems
I think this is a good bit of it. When we double team a DT and then both OL release to get upfield leaving the DT to make the play at the line of scrimmage... someone doesn't know their job.
We died against South carolina by 1000 small mental mistakes. The coaches have to do better getting us ready.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:32 pm to Lucius Clay
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Win out the rest of the season and we can all scratch our heads about the strange anomaly of the SC game.
But we don't have to scratch our heads. We know why we lost. 4 turnovers and still managed to tie in regulation. We can answer that now.
People like you act like football is an equation, a baking recipe, a chemistry experiment, where you check of the list of do this, do that, then do this and that, in this exact order = national championship
That's not how it works.
Saban as been at Alabama for 12 seasons (not including this one) and has 5 NC's in his Alabama career.
In 7 of his seasons, he fell short. Is Saban a failure?
I'd say no. I'd say it was his relentless recruiting that kept him in the running consistently enough to win the NC several times over many years.
That's exactly what Kirby is doing.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:33 pm to deeprig9
quote:It matters more the less talented you are. Like I said, AJ Green had 56 catches as a true freshmen. Doubt he had all the routes down pat.
And experience absolutely matters. Do you agree or disagree
The AJ Greens are rare but it's not unusual for top tier WRs to come in and be very productive.
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